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Builders of the "Hawk" Stratos replica hit out against TopGear!
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huh?
scoops
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well said.
1. the guy was dumb enough to lend it, and it wasn't even in good working condition, of course the flaws are going to be pointed out.
2. i believe top gear mentioned that the car had been raced a few times, so that kinda should give people a hint that it's going to be roughed up a bit in the first place before the test
3. the guy didn't bother to set the car up properly (which is daft because a poorly set up car could cause a nice big wreck, so he's lucky that he still has a car after
4. any damage made from the show is being re-embersed as he said in his dumb rant, so why he was ranting about that, i don't know.
5. how do you expect a car to put in a good time if it doesn't even have one of the front breaks???
the answer to all these questions can be summed up easily;
just sit back, and enjoy the show, and if you have a complaint please visit this thread http://forums.finalgear.com/top-gear/want-to-complain-to-tg-let-me-help-40621/
there is a very helpfull image there that will help solve your problems.:lol:
Mike Nassour
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It's one thing to make fun of a car and its attributes...or lack thereof. But if TG has indeed misrepresented a product that's available for sale, just to make a joke, that's just wrong.
I do so hope that's not the case.
There's a big difference between poking fun at the truth...and just lying for a laugh.
I do so hope that's not the case.
There's a big difference between poking fun at the truth...and just lying for a laugh.
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What don't you understand?
scoops
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how about exagerating the truth? for example the short wheel base of the car makes it spin easily, so why not let the stig spin it for fun and 5.2 million peoples entertainment?
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...Andy Wilman is the Stig?! :lol:
I think both parties are somewhat to blame here. TG for not giving the car a fair lap, and the kit car guys for sending a well-loved car that isn't entirely representative of their work. You can't expect them to compare a rallied car that's a few years old to the other brand new ones they take around their track.
And for crap's sake, attaching anyone's name to The Stig in your complaint just reeks of sour grapes.
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As we've said before, not when it's someone's personal car they've lent to the show for a test. You have to respect the fact that it's their car.
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They also showed a Tesla with flat batteries even though Tesla technicians say the cars lent to TG never ran flat.
TG's response? "Illustrating what would happen if they ran out of juice."
This is quite similar. While the car they had may have been built properly some kit cars may have been built by a spanner with a hammer... just "illustrating".
TG's response? "Illustrating what would happen if they ran out of juice."
This is quite similar. While the car they had may have been built properly some kit cars may have been built by a spanner with a hammer... just "illustrating".
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all i know is that the last 6 people in the world i would hand the keys to my fav car would be, Jeremy, Richard, the Stig, Tiff Needell, Vikki, and maybe James, however that's really only because he'd get the stig to drive it for him.
if you're dumb enough to expect the car back in the same condition you gave it to any one of them in, that's your won fault.
if you're dumb enough to expect the car back in the same condition you gave it to any one of them in, that's your won fault.
Mike Nassour
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Because it deliberately misrepresents the handling characteristics of a car that's for sale.
How about this....let's not press the accelerator down all the way the next time we test a Bentley...after all, this will show how heavy the car is and it will be so much fun watching it accelerate from 0-60 in over a minute! How fun! Or better yet, let's just ease off a little and make the time about 20 seconds...and not tell anyone that we weren't trying.
Deliberate misrepresentation of a company's product, i.e. lying, is just plain wrong.
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scoops
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you sound like you'd make a good President
ever watch the news, watch political arguments, watch an american movie about an event of historical signifigance?
then you're just encourageing them to lie more, i suggest you stop watching top gear if you can't handle the lies/exageration.
Mike Nassour
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No, first of all I would not make a good elected official of any kind!
But secondly, I would like to point out that there is a large difference between lying and exaggerating. And anyone who cannot tell the difference is asking for trouble. Any TV producer who cannot tell the difference would be ( in this country, at least ) asking for a large, large, lawsuit. I don't know what the laws about this are in the U.K., but even here in lawsuit-unfriendly Texas, this kind of television program would have the producers in court fairly quickly.
For instance.... "The (insert name here) car is a piece of CRAP!" is a protected opinion.
However...."The (insert name here) car spun out on our track repeatedly despite our best efforts due to its suspension..." is court-bait, if and only if the spins were, as we understand here, manufactured to fit in with the pre-determined story line.
Maybe this is one reason why Clarkson decided that a TG/USA program was not something with which he wanted to be directly involved.
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No, first of all I would not make a good elected official of any kind!
But secondly, I would like to point out that there is a large difference between lying and exaggerating. And anyone who cannot tell the difference is asking for trouble. Any TV producer who cannot tell the difference would be ( in this country, at least ) asking for a large, large, lawsuit. I don't know what the laws about this are in the U.K., but even here in lawsuit-unfriendly Texas, this kind of television program would have the company in court fairly quickly.
Maybe this is one reason why Clarkson decided that a TG/USA program was not something with which he wanted to be directly involved.
you may have a very good point there for a reason why the show disbanded. the sense of humour is some states is lacking a little and that line between an exageration/lie can be very thin sometimes.
they should do Top Gear Canada.... though we don't really have any car companies here..... i guess there's nobody to get mad though
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you may have a very good point there for a reason why the show disbanded. the sense of humour is some states is lacking a little and that line between an exageration/lie can be very thin sometimes.
they should do Top Gear Canada.... though we don't really have any car companies here..... i guess there's nobody to get mad though
What? There's shit loads of Frenchists for a start, and the effort required to piss them off is as near to nothing as makes no odds.
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Well, were I a car manufacturer I would have very little sense of humor about libel or slander. If my product doesn't perform as I say it does, then fine, write it up. But if someone is lying about the capabilities of a product that puts the food on my family's table, brother, they're going to pay for that one.
they should do Top Gear Canada.... though we don't really have any car companies here..... i guess there's nobody to get mad though
I can assure you....Ford, GM, Toyota, and the others are perfectly capable of looking after their interests in Canada!:lol:
What? Do you mean the French also make cars?
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Yep, but hammering a point home is not, that's journalism. Not even only tabloid journalism, the methods used by "real" journalists are just more sophisticated.
What TG did -both with the kit car minus the stig lap (which was so bad television it does not matter what it was about) and the Tesla - is emphasing problems of the underlying concept by putting them into easily-understandable images.
"The Tesla does only 120 miles (note: number made up by me) per charge" is the statement of a fact. But because most people will hardly know how short 120 miles are, showing the Tesla "run out of juice" (no matter if real or not) will explain the problem much better.
"Building a kit car right needs skills, prescision, patience and attention to detail" will result in everyone thinking "i can do it!" - showing what can go wrong (and did, maybe because of poor maintenance, but who cares) works much better on TV.
Still, that does not defend the awful Stig lap.
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well, if we just neglect to show the show in quebec, it would be just like north america not getting the show when it's shown in the U.K. and everywhere else. Problem solved.
and as for Ford, GM, and Chrysler looking after themselves, i thought we got the answer to that this year
however i think most of them are assembled here in Canada.
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What? Do you mean the French also make cars?
Not really, but they're very good at making fire out of cars.
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they make the T-rex in canada. (quebec actually) something for you petrolheads to look up if you've never heard of it.
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and as for Ford, GM, and Chrysler looking after themselves, i thought we got the answer to that this year
however i think most of them are assembled here in Canada.
Even though I was referring to the legal aspects of the business, your point is well taken about GM and Chrysler. However, please allow me to make the point that Ford has not taken a single cent of U.S. government money. Yes, it has made many mistakes, but instead chose to mortgage itself to the hilt in order to raise capital that (hopefully) will be used to dig itself out of the hole.