It ain't murder, it is punishment and for the families of the victims, closure.
So, if we imagine that someone kills my father, and I kill him, I've seen him kill my father, I know it's him, and I kill the bastard, to punish him, that would be a crime.
But if we wait for two-three months, and let a group of "honorable adults" in suits deciede that the bastard is a bastard, and then deciede that the state should murder him in a honorable and civilized manner, that is ok?
There is a saying, there is justifiable murder, there is unjustifiable murder, understandeble murder, for the poor sod getting killed, it's pretty much the same.
In Norway, we got rid of blood revenge in the 1400s. Revenge is not in all times the same as closure. Not at all. It won't bring the victim back, but it might bring the family of the condemned grief.
To be honest, life in prison even seems a worse punishment in my mind.
I'm just opposed it.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Back up. Segragation and child punishment are two VERY different things.
A was not comparing, I was saying that we are all influenced of our time, and the culture around us, that's basic, but it doesn't need to be right just because of that.
Nobody who was spanked as a child grows to be a child abuser solely because they were spanked. If they grow up as abusive adults, there were clearly many other factors at play.
My point is, it might be a factor.
I'm sorry to hear that, but let me say that this is proof alone that spanking doesn't cause children to grow up as abusive adults. If jawhawk can grow up as a normal human being after what was clearly abuse, then surely spanking isn't the cause of abusive adults.
That is not conclusive proof, in the same way that two young guys shooting someone after listening to Marilyn Manson, doesn't mean that Marilyn Manson's music creates savage killers.
How about through being too permissive? That can screw up a kid more than a spanking. In fact the kids of most permissive parents desperately need a whack on the ass, because the parents let the kid do whatever s/he wants with no consequences. What do you think that will translate to when the kid is an adult? Chances are you have met someone who is the result of a permissive parent. They tend to be self-absorbed, egocentric, entitled, whiny, and never take responsibility for their own actions.
Have fun with that.
Being to permissive is wrong. Bringing up a child is hard, but I think you're giving up when you resort to violence. That's what it is, violence. Nothing to argue. It's soft violence, but still violence.
^I've also seen young kids talking back to their parents, showing no respect whatsoever (that really pisses me off).
That depends. I think anyone should be able to say what they want, even children, and if a child doesn't agree, he or she should say what he or she means. But showing respect is important. I would agree that disrespect of the worst sort deserves a sort of negative sanction, if not "spanking".
I am actually a teacher and a lot of parents are way too soft on their kids. You have a kid causing a riot in the classroom so you give them a detention. Then all you get is the parent saying their child is a little angel who would never do anything wrong and that they will not let them do a detention.
That's a very big problem, especially bullies. I am speaking of personal experience.
Note: I agree that I have been too categorical in this question, I guess it is caused by my culture, and my views on the subject. A child should be faced by psychology, not with violence, in my oppinion.
Sorry, if I've made some people angry, sometimes, I just get a bit carried away. It's human, I guess.