Covid 19 CRISIS

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Think about Vegas how do you open up a Casino? How do you open up a resort? How can you have a show? Blackjack the dealer sits directly across from you. Craps what do you do a table of one? So table games basicly gone. Ok how about slots remove two machines for every one machine? Pools limit the number of people? Forget about pool parties like Temptations Sundays at Luxor. Do you have only stage acts with again maybe a third of tickets only able to be sold?

I dont get what will be accomplished by rushing this
 

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Who cares if capitalism will recover? Do you eat capitalism? Do you have time to wait until it does?
I don't care about ideology. I see societies that were wealthy, and yet mostly failed to protect themselves from a danger they knew could come.



A fantastic success of capitalism. Everyhing is a success, even famine.
BTW, criticizing capitalism DOES NOT MEAN endorsing the only other system you can think of.



They do resort to slave even if that's illegal and legally punishable... Most of the times, they wouldgo broke becaue they can't really afford paying them fully.



Stop thinking that everything other than US capitalism is Government-decided sovietic 5-year plans. There is a world in between, and also sideways.


Covid-19 is not a black swan. It was predictable.



In the meantime, many may die. This is why I say the system has many flaws that should be addressed. People do not eat capitalism.



This is not a movie, nobody gets a plot armour.

Let it run wild, let people die in the corridors of hospitals, and you'll see those who are still healthy abandon their jobs to try and save themselves and their families; and f*ck the businesses. And bye to the economy.
Apparently I hit a nerve here.

Capitalism is human reciprocity acting on a societal level. I go through the work to grow an onion, Bob is willing to trade his own labor/time for my onion. Capitalism is human nature. As long as there are humans who want to trade their labor/time for things other humans produced with their own labor/time there will be capitalism. The only other alternative is forcing people to trade their labor/time against their will.

Show me the proof that COVID was predicted. I have yet to see it in this thread.

This isn't a movie, we have a pretty good idea of what the death rate. I may die from it, but society as a whole is more important than my life.

The Spanish Flu runs counter to your prediction. The economy kept running despite the devastation.
 

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Do you eat capitalism?
Farmers make products and sell em to distributors, distributors sell products to grocery stores, food processors, restaurants, etc... all of those sell their products to consumers. Yes you DO eat capitalism, how else do you do farming on industrial level?
 

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Apparently I hit a nerve here.
Sorry, but no, you really didn't.

Capitalism is human reciprocity acting on a societal level.[...]Capitalism is human nature
I think this is just using a word to justify your faith in a word, basically. It's ideology at its peak.

The only other alternative is forcing people to trade their labor/time against their will.
Given the definition you give of Capitalism, it's true. It's the definition that is wrong.

Show me the proof that COVID was predicted. I have yet to see it in this thread.
I said it was predictable, not predicted.

Yes, the idea of a global pandemic was there and its appearance deemed probable. The sanitary crisis was taken into account by Countries souch as South Korea or Japan, and, once started, other Countries manage to contain that part. The fact that the US did so little and were so unprepared does not mean that the others were the same or that it couldn't be done. Then there is how to manage the inevitable economical repercussions and could and should have been thought after BEFORE today. It wasn't. It's stupid.

This isn't a movie, we have a pretty good idea of what the death rate. I may die from it, but society as a whole is more important than my life.
And after this sentence, I am the communist? Oh for fox's sake.

The Spanish Flu runs counter to your prediction. The economy kept running despite the devastation.
The economy, a century ago, was not at all comparable to the interconnected global economy we have now.
 

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What is your definition of capitalism?
an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism

It definitely is not "human nature" or "human reciprocity" or any of that new-agish mumbo-jumbo
 

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an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism

It definitely is not "human nature" or "human reciprocity" or any of that new-agish mumbo-jumbo
So basically what humans have been doing since cave times more or less...
 

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It definitely is not "human nature" or "human reciprocity" or any of that new-agish mumbo-jumbo
You are correct. However, it is the closer to the basic primitive instinct of "do thing, get reward". Carrot and stick, bell and saliva, take your pic.

Consider moving this conversation somewhere else? The conversation about economical systems is lovely and I wish to see if it reaches a compromise, an agreement to disagree, if someone brings up that that big advantage is also a disadvantage when you get to really high amounts of reward, or if it devolves into namecalling and shitfling.

But this is the COVID thread.
 

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My bad 40-70% not 50.
Depending on how you feel about CBS I suppose
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/corona...ldwide-virus-expert-warning-today-2020-03-02/

However Harvard has also cited his estimaion:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/the-latest-on-the-coronavirus/


I vaguely remember seeing something similar from CDC or the WHO but can't find anything at the moment.

Bit more here:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200401/how-scientists-predict-how-many-people-will-get-covid-19#1
Ah, you meant forward-looking numbers? Carry on.
 
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