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The only thing citizens are doing is boycotting products. The only people that have called for violence are the same people you hear everytime, no surprise there. Don't ignore the instigator and simply look at the reaction.
///M said:The only thing citizens are doing is boycotting products. The only people that have called for violence are the same people you hear everytime, no surprise there. Don't ignore the instigator and simply look at the reaction.
zenkidori said:Um, so TF what? It's called free speech. Those kinds of cartoons run in papers across the US on a daily basis, satirising and making fun of any number of religious, political and celebrity icons from all corners of the globe, since when does that justify violence or the threat of it?Firecat said:I have a problem with the drawings. This newspaper obviously had an agenda and wanted to incite some kind of negative reaction from the muslim community, otherwise why print them?
actually they are different, they are quite worse!On the other hand, the idiots that are ... making threats are no different than the dumbass that drew those cartoons.
It's one thing to have an opposing viewpoint, or disagree with something, it's quite another to condemn a person and incite violence because they don't agree with you. This is why a good portion of the non-Islamic world has a dim view of Islam. These are actual citizens going nuts here, not just some crazy douchebag in a cave somewhere. When people from your own city, or somewhere you have been or know people, people who seemed reasonable get all crazy like this, of course people are going to think they're all nutters!
If they cartoons ran made fun of Bush you'd all be laughing, and when republicans got up in arms you'd all say they were overreacting and being evil and childish, how is this any different?
So a satirical cartoon is a call for violence? Come on now, that's just stupid.Firecat said:and BTW, many countries have laws about incitement. I think publishing these drawings, which serve no purpose other than inciting violence, falls under that.
And I wouldn't compare it to cartoons of Bush or any other subject. If I had known about the plan to print these pictures before it happened, I could have told you about the reactions it would receive. It is known how muslims feel about depictions of the Prophet.
so you are basically saying that free speech doesn't count if a certain amount of people don't agree, and that speaking one's mind or opinion can rightfully be met with violence. How civilizedActions have consequences.
zenkidori said:So a satirical cartoon is a call for violence? Come on now, that's just stupid.Firecat said:and BTW, many countries have laws about incitement. I think publishing these drawings, which serve no purpose other than inciting violence, falls under that.
And I wouldn't compare it to cartoons of Bush or any other subject. If I had known about the plan to print these pictures before it happened, I could have told you about the reactions it would receive. It is known how muslims feel about depictions of the Prophet.
Why not compare them? It's well known how republicans react, does that justfy such an uneducated and knee-jerk reaction, including violence? No!
These Muslims are stupid, plain and simple. They do thier entire faith a disservice by acting like stupid monkeys.
so you are basically saying that free speech doesn't count if a certain amount of people don't agree, and that speaking one's mind or opinion can rightfully be met with violence. How civilizedActions have consequences.
[not directed towards anyone on this board]It's a fucking cartoon, get over it you damned babies, quit your bitching, you just look stupid. Actions like this are why people hate you! If you can judge an entire country on the actions of a few, then why can they not judge you by the actions of your members? Take a look in the mirror you nutters!
so you are basically saying that free speech doesn't count if a certain amount of people don't agree, and that speaking one's mind or opinion can rightfully be met with violence. How civilized
CanadianLoonie said:Stupid Danes, first you pick a fight with Canada...
That's the difference right there. It's one thing for a predominantly Christian nation to make fun of Jesus, and it's another thing entirely to make fun of Mohammed. If a jewish guy puts on an accent and makes a joke about the jews, people laugh. If a german guy does the same thing, he's called a Nazi, and everyone condemns him. What if this were a Chinese paper showing Jesus as a monster? Would you just say it's freedom of speech, or would it instead make you think twice about buying chinese products?Z102 said:I don't see anything in those drawings that I haven't seen 100 times in newspapers, only with Jesus and other icons of Christianity instead of Muhammad and Islam. And it's no big deal, at least for me. But it seems to me that among the Muslim community there are a few people that need to stir hate among their own people. It's very sad
Now you're arguing like Justin, pulling in unrealted incidents that are just barely on the same plane. It sounded like you were basically saying, "well how dare the paper offend muslims, everyone knows what they do, they deserve what they get". That is what I took away anyhow. Off course it's going to piss people off, but don't you think that the reaction is a bit disproportionate? Look at how much Jesus Christ and Moses are made fun of, do you see entire nations getting all Jihad over it?Firecat said:Here's freedom of speech in America
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_go_pr_wh/state_of_the_union_sheehan_11
and on the flip side (same event)
http://www.wftv.com/news/6649773/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=irresistible