justin syder said:
And Zenon, if I didnt have much of an argument Id also get frustrated and decided to stop with this too. Bush will be back in for 4 more yrs!!!
Ok, now that is just being rude. I said I'd stay out of this, but now you've got me really pissed off.
First of all, not all soldiers are young and naive. Not all are unwilling to serve and to die. However, there are a lot of soldiers who willingly signed up for the military pre-Iraq thinking they would serve in ways that would make the world a better place. Attacking and occupying Iraq is not making the world a better place - it is just another exmaple of the US governments imperialistic and colonial attitude towards the middle east. It is very hard to fight a war you don't agree with and a lot of young troops are having really deep issues with that. Sure Saddam was a threat, but an unprovoked attack with the aim of occupying a country will do nothing but destabalize the middle east. It could have been done in a manner that wouldn't have cost nearly as many lives, and wouldn't have severed the US' relationship with so many countries.
Now all of these soldiers did sign up and should be willing to fight in any war they are called to serve in, but you can not blame them for having reservations about going to Iraq! If you were todl that you had to go to a war-torn country without adequate body armour or armoured vehicles and fight against people who want nothing more than to see you dead, do you think you'd be happy? I think what you see in that Eminem music video represents the feelings of a lot of soldiers. (By the way, there have been many soldiers who have gone AWOL and come to Canada - not nearly as many as during Vietnam, but I can definetly sympathize with them)
Secondly, with the weapons of mass destruction fiasco, all of those senators and politicians believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (I refuse to call them WMDs) because of inaccurate and false intelligence! Anyone would! The difference is, most of them have admitted they were wrong. That is the one thing the Bush administration is completly incapable of doing -
admitting they were wrong. They stubbornly continue along without offering even the smallest apology to the American people.
Thirdly, saying that the attack was not motivated by oil is outright ignorant. I'm not saying it was the only reason, but it was a
very large influence. It is also not suprising at all that gas prices haven't gone down - I never expected them to. The point is, the US has become so overly dependant on fossil fuels, that to merely
maintain the prices - not lower them - they need more direct control over and stability with the middle eastern oil reserves.
Also, if you are bringing up the point about the US getting oil from Canada, you obviously know nothing about oil. The oil found in Canada - mostly in Alberta - is a form of sludge oil that
can not be refined to a point where it can be used for common fuels. If you're only watching the news or reading Wired magazine, you'd think Alberta is the new Iraq, but this is one of the great examples of how
retarded mass media can be, and how uninformed people who use mass media can get. The oil found in Alberta definetly has its uses, but as it can not be used for things such as gasoline, it doesn't effect the prices of common fuels at all.
I'm still going to try my hardest to stay out of this conversation, but really, think or read (something other than a mass media source) before you post.
