First they came for the fat-asses, and I said nothing; now they are after the tall.

6'3" - 6'6" | 2? | 2,100,000
:blink: I'm 2 standard deviations above the mean? No wonder cars and airplanes don't fit!

I'm only an inch shorter than you, and I'm one whole deviation more normal! Yeah, I pretty much rock. :wicked:

I like being tall... yeah, air travel is a bitch. But every short person I've ever met were so upset and lamenting over their height. Granted I've never been short, but it doesn't seem that big a deal. I have this friend who is 5'5" and he acts as if it is some sort of disability (socially speaking).
 
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Try a '91 Toyota MR2. I'm 6'2" and can just barely fit. It seems the people in this thread who disagree with the OP are short, bitter, and jealous of us tall people. :p

Therefore being 6', like me, and being on the skinny side, like me, is the best. I can fit into Lotus Elises just fine, I hardly ever fly but when I do the seats are just fine, when I'm buying clothes I can find ones that fit just fine, AND I have the luxury of not being considered short!
 
I'm glad I'm relatively short (173cm). This is another advantage other than being able to fit into any car. :)
 
They do not make exit row seats with extra leg room by choice, it is that way by law and saftey standards. So charging people extra for them is just pure nonsense and greed-driven. And it's double-speak at its finest to suggest that, by charging tall people for these spaces now, they are somehow giving them greater choice and access. If you ask me, they are limiting their choices! If they were truly concerned about tall people's access to these spaces, they would assign the seating based on your actual height as described on your driver's license or passport.
 
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I hate flying so much its not funny.

Everytime I get in an airplane, I feel like I'm in a flying prison tube with 200+ other people.

Flying just isn't what it is anymore, and studying aerospace engineering this really hurts. We keep designing new aircrafts to be more comfortable, but airline companies instead just want us to keep cramming more and more seats into the same space.

I would seriously support a law on seat arrangements onboard commercial aircrafts. My legs are absolutely painful everytime I get off an airplane, and whenever I fly BA I always end up with some fat ass turd in front of me who reclines his seat fully into my face. Having a bad knee, this is downright unbearable for me and often results in me either getting violent and fucken kicking his seatback really hard or I walk to the end of the aircraft and just try and get 1 or 2 hours sleep on the floor.

I so hope supersonic airliners become a common reality so I can minimize the amount of time I spend on these flying prisons.
 
We keep designing new aircrafts to be more comfortable, but airline companies instead just want us to keep cramming more and more seats into the same space.

Companies in 'trying to make money' shocker!

Actually; one day I want to be rich enough to afford one of those private bedrooms on some Airbus A380 layouts.

I would seriously support a law on seat arrangements onboard commercial aircrafts.

I'm trying to think if there are any comparable existing laws, but I genuinely can't think of any. At least, I don't know of any in the UK (for planes, trains, buses or cars).

I so hope supersonic airliners become a common reality so I can minimize the amount of time I spend on these flying prisons.

I thought Airbus and Boeing had turned away from supersonic craft in order to build even bigger flying monsters?

It is a shame Concorde no longer flies :(
 
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I'm trying to think if there are any comparable existing laws, but I genuinely can't think of any. At least, I don't know of any in the UK (for planes, trains, buses or cars).

From memory, no.

Which is extremely funny considering that there are restrictions on how small the cages can be for transporting cows or other livestock (IIRC, it is mandated that the cage must have enough room for the animal to be able to turn around and clean itself).........
 
They've improved over the past couple of years. I used to only fly Singapore airlines, but in recent times Qantas flight haven't been too bad at all.

The problem is that most jets still in service today can trace their design roots to much earlier times when people wern't so "big".
 
sounds like something Ryanair or Easyjet would try to pull off.
 
I don't think you should have to pay for the extra space. When you sit in that aisle, you actually have a responsibility. If you don't feel up to opening the emergency door, they'll boot your ass right out of those seats (and sometimes right into 1st class, mostly no though) so that someone who is physically able and is responsible enough can sit there to allow people to get out as quick as possible in an emergency. They are counting on you to possibly remove the latch cover, pull down on it, and lug a 50+lb door out of the way in an emergency situation. Should I pay extra for these expectations? I don't think so.
 
AFAIK people traveling with children under the age of 2 years (who have to use a bassinet given by the airlines) have to pay a little extra for the same extra space so why should tall people except special treatment? These must vary from airline to airline but Finnair and Qantas seem to have this kind of policy.
 
I don't think you should have to pay for the extra space. When you sit in that aisle, you actually have a responsibility. If you don't feel up to opening the emergency door, they'll boot your ass right out of those seats (and sometimes right into 1st class, mostly no though) so that someone who is physically able and is responsible enough can sit there to allow people to get out as quick as possible in an emergency. They are counting on you to possibly remove the latch cover, pull down on it, and lug a 50+lb door out of the way in an emergency situation. Should I pay extra for these expectations? I don't think so.

Don't forget the fact that once they get the door open they have to assist all the fatasses out of the plane.
 
Don't forget the fact that once they get the door open they have to assist all the fatasses out of the plane.

Ah, but that's so you can use them as flotation devices.

Blubber is lighter than water, right?
 
http://fe7.story.media.ac4.yahoo.com/news/story/maple/us/ap/20090619/ap_on_bi_ge/us_airline_fees

The article basically gives examples of all the little fees airlines are coming up with to make more money without making it seem like they are raising the cost of a ticket.


Article said:
By JOSHUA FREED, AP Airlines Writer Joshua Freed, Ap Airlines Writer ? Fri Jun 19, 2:52 pm ET

MINNEAPOLIS ? As if charging $15 to check a bag weren't enough, two airlines are asking for $5 more beginning this summer if you pay at the check-in counter ? a fee on top of a fee.

Of course, you could always pay your baggage fee from home. The airlines call it the "online discount."

If airlines can get away with that, what's next? Rather than raise fares in the middle of a recession, they're piling on fees to make money ? fees for bags, fees to get through the line faster, even fees for certain seats.

United Airlines alone expects to rake in more than $1 billion this year in fees ranging from baggage to accelerated frequent-flier awards. That's more than 5 percent of its revenue.

The most likely new fees are those that some airline, somewhere, has tried. Fees usually originate with one or two airlines, and competitors watch to see whether passengers accept them or revolt. For instance:

? US Airways and United are hitting passengers up for $5 to pay their baggage fees at the airport instead of online. United implemented the fee June 10, while US Airways will put it into effect July 9.

? If you want to select an exit row seat on AirTran and enjoy the extra legroom, expect to cough up $20.

? Allegiant Air, a smaller national discount airline, charges a $13.50 "convenience fee" for online purchases, even though most other carriers encourage purchases direct from their Web site.

? European discounter Ryanair charges for something everyone has to do if they want to fly: check in. It's 5 euros, or about $6.75, to check in online, double for passengers who pay at the airport. Ryanair plans to eliminate airport check-in desks.

? Spanish airline Vueling charges a fee to pick a seat. Any seat at all. A "basic" seat behind the wing runs 3 euros. For 30 euros, travelers can choose an aisle or window seat and guarantee that the middle seat will remain empty.

"They need to chill out with those," said a frustrated Jim Engineer, a public relations executive waiting for a flight out of New York's LaGuardia. "Charging for a glass of water and seats just translates into unhappy customers."

As recently as last year, most fliers only came across a fee if they checked three bags or sent a minor child across the country. Most people, most of the time, traveled fee-free.

But that began to change last spring. Spiking jet fuel prices and passenger resistances to higher fares started airlines looking around the cabin for things they could charge extra for.

Passengers are finding it's a lot easier for the airlines to add the fees than to take them away.

"They're going to keep nudging them up until they run into market resistance," said Ed Perkins, a contributing editor at the Web site Smarter Travel.

That's what happened at US Airways. It tried for seven months to charge for soda and water but gave up in March after no other airlines took up the idea. And Delta scaled back a plan to charge $50 to check a second bag on all international flights. Instead, the charge will apply only on flights to Europe.

United has been a leader in finding ways to charge passengers separately for things. Some are for perks coach travelers used to get for free, like food. Others are new services altogether, like United's door-to-door luggage service via FedEx.

Airlines say fees are part of "a la carte" pricing that allows them to hold the line on fares. Rather than charge higher fares to everyone, they say, passengers can pick and choose the extras they want to pay for.

Ideas for fees don't come out of thin air. Last month in Miami most of the big U.S. carriers and many overseas airlines attended a conference devoted to a-la-carte pricing and fees. (Motto, next to a cartoon of an airliner: "Discovering the flying store.")

Some fees stretch the imagination: The CEO of European discount carrier Ryanair has floated the idea of charging for lavatory use and sick bags. But even he hasn't gone ahead with what appears to have been a publicity-seeking gambit, and no other carrier has suggested such a charge.

Still, there's no rule against such a fee in the U.S., according to the Department of Transportation and the Federal Aviation Administration.

Delta Air Lines Inc. and AirTran Holdings Inc. say they have no plans to tack a fee on to carry-on bags, an idea that would almost certainly annoy passengers just getting used to paying for checked baggage.

It would also put airline workers in the awkward position of deciding whether that bag on your arm is a big purse, presumably free, or a lumpy suitcase. Already, fees for checked bags have made finding space in the overhead bin tougher.

And even if carry-on bags stay free, United is already offering a "Premier Line" check-in for $25. It allows fliers to get through check-in and security faster and board earlier.

That guarantees some of that precious overhead space ? so in a way, it's like a carry-on fee, said Jay Sorensen, president of IdeaWorks Co., an airline consultant who has written a guidebook for airlines seeking "ancillary revenue," the industry term for fees and extra services such as airline credit cards.

Matthew J. Bennett, CEO of FirstClassFlyer.com, said he thinks travelers in the front of the plane will remain immune from the nickle-and-dime fees airlines aim at coach passengers.

For those in coach, though, "What they are going to charge for in the future is anything that's not bolted down."

"They've already gotten sufficient revenue from them," Bennett said. "All they're saying to coach-class travelers is 'We really haven't gotten enough from you.'"

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AP Business Writer Samantha Bomkamp in New York contributed to this report.
 
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