Germany: Nuclear power plants to close by 2022

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While I am not sure that Germany's exit from nuclear energy was the right tradeoff between long-term waste problem and cost on the one hand and having short-term zero emission energy to combat climate change on the other hand, your view of nuclear is not realistic as well I believe.

The reason we are not "transitioning to breeder reactors" is that these make a technology that is already prohibitively expensive even more expensive, so even with government subsidies it's not viable.

While nuclear may be a short-term solution to climate change, it is by no means a free or even cheap source of energy and anyone who thinks so obviously has no grasp of economics.

It's expensive now but will it always be expensive in the future? Russia is already operating two fast breeder reactors and China is right behind them. I'm going to guess western technology for breeder reactors is more expensive due to overregulation rather than due to a lack of technical knowledge and expertise.

Nuclear is not the end-all-be-all solution but it should be part of the landscape combined with renewables. A 100% renewable grid is not consistent when it comes to pricing and their inherently low-inertia nature does not offer any kind of robustness.

Finally, Nord Stream 2 is starting to look awfully sketch in light of recent Russian movements against Ukraine.
 

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Meanwhile, in the first half of 2022 49% of Germany's electricity consumption has been covered by renewables, and we're still exporting loads of power to France because they can't keep their nukes up.

 

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49% of Germany's electricity consumption has been covered by renewables

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But what about when the wind doesn’t shine? But base load! But, but, but… WE NEED NUKES!!!

Sorry about the trolling, I read the teaser for another one of those “The war in Ukraine means we have to go back to nuclear power!” PR pieces earlier today and am still banging my head against the wall.
 

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Easy to say such bullshit when half of the NPPs in France are undergoing pandemic-deferred maintenance.

Nevermind the fact that Germans are paying more for energy than most of the EU. Weird given that renewables should have the opposite effect. I guess their inability to provide a reliable and predictable base load precludes it from being a serious market player.

The maintenance issues of France’s NPPs will pass especially as new plants come online. The prospects of France’s energy getting cheaper, greener, and reliable look much better than Germany’s.
 
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