- Jun 16, 2007
Sounds like John Harwood is an ignorant buffoon.
Sounds like John Harwood is an ignorant buffoon.
I was holding fire on both the last shootings until more info is in, as I usually do - but at this juncture, it appears both shooters took and passed their NICS background checks and there wasn’t any sort of thing where a lazy government employee just shrugged and approved it when she shouldn’t have (Charlottesville shooter) or the system utterly failed to have the information input (VT shooter). Or many of the other NICS fails that have happened; NICS is so bad that I was actually surprised to find out that it hadn’t screwed up, to give people an idea of how many times a mass shooter has been cleared by NICS when NICS should have flagged them.I've been thinking about what might actually help curb gun violence. There's been a lot of talk about Red Flag laws, a new AWB, etc. What about making it a criminal offense for government agencies to not report to NICS in a timely fashion? The Texas Church shooting was carried out by someone who should have been flagged in NICS but his dishonorable discharge and legal history in the USAF was never sent to NICS. That level of negligence directly contributed to the deaths in that shooting, if a civilian had failed to report that information, they would face civil and potentially criminal legal proceedings.
What do you have to counter what he said other than name calling?
The AWB was so spectacularly successful that it failed to prevent the MASSIVELY INFAMOUS COLUMBINE MASS SHOOTING. Which was, for those that don't know, done mostly with weapons and magazines that were fully legal to sell under the AWB and in fact would be legal under most proposed "assault weapon bans" in one form or another - short of a total ban on modern firearms.The AWB was utterly useless.
The Columbine massacre was conducted mostly with low-capacity magazines. Harris used a High Point 995 carbine with 13 ten round magazines. He fired that 96 times. He also used a Savage 67H shotgun which does not have a detachable magazine and must be reloaded singly - he fired that 25 times. (There were no so-called assault rifles used at Columbine. Or Virginia Tech. Or Isla Vista.)
Not an 'assault rifle' in the bunch, and the DC9 was the closest thing to an 'assault weapon' they had. It jammed early and was useless. The supermajority of the victims were shot by the 995 or the shotguns."But, but, Columbine's killers used assault rifles, right?" Nope. Per Wikipedia:
These are the actual weapons recovered from the bodies of the Columbine killers (courtesy of acolumbinesite.com):
Hi-Point model 995 carbine - not an 'assault rifle'.
Sawed-off pump-action Savage-Springfield 67H shotgun - not an 'assault rifle'.
TEC-DC9 9-mm semi-automatic handgun - not an 'assault rifle'.
Double-barrel Savage 311-D sawed-off shotgun - still not an 'assault rifle'.
And, of course, a shitload of bombs including a car bomb that Dylan set the timer on incorrectly and a fuel-air bomb in the cafeteria. The list:
48 -- Carbon Dioxide bombs
27 -- Pipe bombs
11 -- 1.5 gallon propane bombs
7 -- gas or napalm bombs
2 -- 20 pound propane bombs
Worth noting that the press and police have misidentified unarmored tactical vests and carriers as "armor" many, many times in the past and that current reports are that the "ballistic armor" was so good that the police were able to penetrate and kill the Dayton shooter with normal, non-armor piercing rounds through the "armor" - so it's very likely that it wasn't actual armor.Schumer bill would require FBI to regulate body armor sales
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate’s top Democrat says he’s introducing legislation to require the FBI to regulate the sale of body armor in the U.S.
Sen. Chuck Schumer said Sunday that the legislation would require the bureau to set standards on who would be eligible to purchase bullet-resistant vests and other body armor.
The New York senator says there would be exceptions for law enforcement and other public safety professionals.
Schumer says he’ll introduce the bill after the Senate returns to Washington in September.
The legislation is aimed at trying to curb the sale of body armor, which has been used by assailants in mass shootings. The push comes a week after a gunman wearing body armor killed nine people in Dayton, Ohio.
The FBI didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.
Because they were right there the police were able to stop him quickly. Yet in that 30 seconds, he was able to kill 9 and wound more.
Second the above - how, exactly, is your assertion of his 'kill count' even vaguely connected to the question of whether or not the idiot was wearing body armor? Additionally, the 30 second time to takeout is not wholly correct; according to the current official timeline, the perp showed up and began shooting, the on-site officers opened fire 20 seconds after the perp commenced firing and under 10 seconds later the perp was incapacitated - so that gives a time to incap of just 10 seconds or less. Makes it even less likely that he was wearing armor.And that disputes the argument that he likely didn't wear body armor how?
A "banned" weapon wielded by a felon being electronically monitored who didn't remove the monitor and it still happened. So much for the assertion that a gun ban would stop this - because obviously even the much-lauded Aussie ban didn't.Darwin shooting: Banned shotgun used in four killings, police say
5 June 2019
Suspect detained after Darwin shooting
A man alleged to have killed four people and injured another in the Australian city of Darwin used an illegal pump-action shotgun, police say.
The 45-year-old suspect, known to police, was arrested about an hour after the first shots were fired on Tuesday.
Police said he carried out attacks at several locations and may have been searching for a "specific individual".
It was not terror-related, they added.
Authorities have not identified the victims nor the suspect.
However Australian media have identified the gunman as Darwin man Benjamin Hoffman.
One of the victims has also been named as Hassan Baydoun, a 33-year-old taxi driver from Lebanon.
A relative told the Sydney Morning Herald: "It's a big loss... he was one of the best people i knew in my life."
Mass shootings - defined in Australia as incidents with four or more deaths - have been a rare occurrence since the country overhauled its gun laws in 1996, in the wake of a shooting in Tasmania that left 35 people dead.
Those reforms included restrictions on gun ownership and the banning of semi-automatic and automatic firearms.
The weapon used on Tuesday was a prohibited 12-gauge pump-action shotgun. Northern Territory Police Commissioner Reece Kershaw said it "may have been stolen as far back as 1997".
Such a weapon should have been surrendered or destroyed under the government crackdown on firearms at the time, experts have said.
How did the shootings unfold?
The alleged gunman, who had been on parole since January, was wearing an electronic tag at the time. Police said he had served four years of a six-year sentence.
Police said he travelled to several places across the city, including the Palms Hotel in the suburb of Woolner. There he allegedly opened fire in a number of rooms before fleeing.
One man was killed at the hotel, and another person was wounded, police said.
Another person was killed at Buff Club, another at Gardens Hill Crescent and another at Jolly Street. Police said the suspect also went to the Peter McAulay Centre - a police operations base.
Witnesses said the suspect appeared to have been searching for a specific person called "Alex".
"We know he was looking for one individual," Commissioner Kershaw told reporters on Wednesday.
The suspect remains in police custody at the Royal Darwin Hospital and is expected to be charged with murder, he added.
What has been the response?
Northern Territory Chief Minister Michael Gunner said officials would conduct an urgent review of all prisoners on parole in the wake of the shootings.
"The Northern Territory Government will do everything in its power to determine what led to these tragic events and how this violence occurred," Mr Gunner said.
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Tuesday the shootings were a "terrible act of violence".
Gun crime is rare in Australia, but it saw its worst mass shooting incident in more than 20 years last year when seven members of the same family died in a murder-suicide.
More recently, a man was killed and three others wounded in a shooting outside a popular nightclub in Melbourne in April.
To be a bit of a devil's advocate, I don't think anyone realistically thinks that any kind of law would prevent a 100% of incidents. It would be rather dishonest to not admit that we have significantly more of these types of mass murder than any other 1st world country.It seems that "safe Australia" where Obama claimed this sort of thing never happens because of their "gun ban" has mass/spree shootings too.
Not entirely sure about that stat on a per capita basis, but it's certainly an elevated number - but then we have over 300 million people in the country now, so there's going to be more idiots going bonkers in the country no matter what.To be a bit of a devil's advocate, I don't think anyone realistically thinks that any kind of law would prevent a 100% of incidents. It would be rather dishonest to not admit that we have significantly more of these types of mass murder than any other 1st world country.
It is, unfortunately, the current culture - and a lot of failure on the part of government.That is not to say that I believe that the issue is access to weapons or even the types of weapons but there is certainly something in the US that causes more of these.