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Define "right for life" ? I have no idea what thats supposed to mean.

But anyways, there is no reason at all that I can see that would make it ok for someone to break in to anyones property, unless its a cop with a warrant.
 

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But anyways, there is no reason at all that I can see that would make it ok for someone to break in to anyones property, unless its a cop with a warrant.
What if you live next to an elderly person and you fear that person may have been injured or died in their home, and you call an ambulance. Are they supposed ignore your call because they cant make a forced entry?

What if there's a fire somewhere and the access to the fire is restricted by locked doors or gates? We can make it more interesting by asking ourselves, what if a fireman (or any other civil servant for that matter) needs to make a forced entry into a house or apartment (for the purpuse of accessing a fire or treating a injured person) of a drug addict and is attacked by the occupants?
 
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What if you live next to an elderly person and you fear that person may have been injured or died in their home, and you call an ambulance. Are they supposed ignore your call because they cant make a forced entry?

What if there's a fire somewhere and the access to the fire is restricted by locked doors or gates? We can make it more interesting by asking ourselves, what if a fireman (or any other civil servant for that matter) needs to make a forced entry into a house or apartment (for the purpuse of accessing a fire or treating a injured person) of a drug addict and is attacked by the occupants?

Pretty sure that case is exceedingly rare. I mean, that's like asteroid-to-the-head rare. You'd have to be a pretty epic dunce to shoot a fireman trying to put out your own house...
 

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Who said people high on drugs are smart? :D
Let's assume there is no visible flames but there's reason to assume there is a fire somewhere (scent or smoke outside), that could happen. Altough yes, the case with the paramedics is more likely ;)

Off topic, some people (probably the same individuals who set fire to the stuff in the first place) are stupid enough to try to harass and stop firemen from doing their work , it's why the firetrucks in Malm? now have cameras when they venture into the ghetto.
 
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Define "right for life" ? I have no idea what thats supposed to mean.

But anyways, there is no reason at all that I can see that would make it ok for someone to break in to anyones property, unless its a cop with a warrant.

Well to save their life from whatever peril it might be they need shelter from.
 

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I wonder if you are even aware of the fact, that you alone are confirming all the negative impressions and prejudices one could have about Americans. Fortunately I happen to know that you are not representative -- and thank God for that, otherwise we'd have WWIII already, this time started by the USA.

It's typical that you always like to point out the violent past of other countries to justify the violent present of your own country (as if your country has no violent past at all). You really must have a deeply rooted inferiority complex, when you need to do that.

Why aren't you unable to compare the state of countries of today with each other? Why do you always have to dig into the past to justify your opinions and often crude and strange notions? Seems to me you are the prime example of someone who is stuck in the past and simply won't learn from it to create a better future.

I'm sorry that violence is part of your life so much, you really have my sympathy for that. But I cannot help thinking that mentalities like yours sooner or later will attract other people with the same mindset. That could explain, why you travel to Europe and promptly get into conflict with the law here.

You once more or less accused me of carrying a kind of "violence gene", because I'm German. I guess you have proven time and again in this forum, who really is the one with a tendency for violence.

Of course all that assuming you're really always telling the truth and aren't exaggerating or making things up.

So next time people from abroad are being unfair or biased towards your home country and think that most Americans are a bunch of thugs who sleep with their guns at night, look into the mirror before you complain, because you are part of the reason why.

Which leaves one question: Did you ever get off looking at pictures of firearms? I'm asking because the amount of pics of weapons you post here, leaves almost no other conclusion than you thinking guns are porn and lust after using them, looking for excuses to do it. And please don't insult my intelligence with saying you're only keeping them for "self defense".

You keep them, because you love them. Because they make you feel stronger, than you really are. Admit it.
 
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@Spectre:

I wonder if you are even aware of the fact, that you alone are confirming all the negative impressions and prejudices one could have about Americans. Fortunately I happen to know that you are not representative -- and thank God for that, otherwise we'd have WWIII already, this time started by the USA.

It's typical that you always like to point out the violent past of other countries to justify the violent present of your own country (as if your country has no violent past at all). You really must have a deeply rooted inferiority complex, when you need to do that.

Since when have I denied that America has a violent past? Or a violent present? I defy you to find one post of mine where I have denied reality in that fashion. I have said that it is less violent than others perceive it as, not that it was non-violent. For god's sake, how can your statement possibly be true when I'm mentioning things like the goddamn LA Riots?

As for your theory of an inferiority complex, well... I suspect you are projecting a bit. Have you considered professional help?

With regards to history; history runs in cycles - what has happened before will happen again. History provides a road map to the future, and using history to project future trends has been very lucrative for many people, including myself. (See: Stock market.) Therefore, history is not to be ignored, but learned from.

Why aren't you unable to compare the state of countries of today with each other? Why do you always have to dig into the past to justify your opinions and often crude and strange notions? Seems to me you are the prime example of someone who is stuck in the past and simply won't learn from it to create a better future.

The problem is that most people do not learn from history and repeat the mistakes from the past. Over and over and over and over and over. And in my travels, I find that the old saw is true: "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

I'm sorry that violence is part of your life so much, you really have my sympathy for that. But I cannot help thinking that mentalities like yours sooner or later will attract other people with the same mindset. That could explain, why you travel to Europe and promptly get into conflict with the law here.

Oh, so I get into trouble because of my mindset, not because of random street crime committed by people I've never met, let alone said word one to, while dressed in local fashion and appearing much like a local.

Yeah. Right.

Blame the victim much?

You once more or less accused me of carrying a kind of "violence gene", because I'm German. I guess you have proven time and again in this forum, who really is the one with a tendency for violence.

Actually, I implied that you (and many other Germans) possibly had some sort of gene for madness. Not violence.

Not that there's a lot of difference, mind you. And I don't mean to offend our German contingent (just you), but I've been studying the history of Germany to try to figure out just how one man could convince so many people to vote for someone who was clearly insane. You've tried the mainstream explanation a couple of times, but that doesn't really cut it - the only things I can come up with is that the Germans who rallied to the Nazi cause were either stupid or had some sort of genetic defect that caused this behavior. Since we know that Germans are generally not stupid, it must be some sort of genetic issue. In which case, it could come back.

I have had discussions with Germans, both here and in Europe, and they don't have any better answers. :shrug:

Of course all that assuming you're really always telling the truth and aren't exaggerating or making things up.

I'm at least as truthful as you, Herr 'I say things then when I get called on it I say it was a joke and try to laugh off my failure.'

So next time people from abroad are being unfair or biased towards your home country and think that most Americans are a bunch of thugs who sleep with their guns at night, look into the mirror before you complain, because you are part of the reason why.

Generally, I could not possibly care less about what other people think about my country. You will note that I generally do not jump into the America bashing threads. I also do not jump on the Euro bashing threads. I don't even jump onto the Euro-centric 'what car should I buy' threads.

You may think of me and my country however you wish, so long as you do so from a very great distance.

Which leaves one question: Did you ever get off looking at pictures of firearms? I'm asking because the amount of pics of weapons you post here, leaves almost no other conclusion than you thinking guns are porn and lust after using them, looking for excuses to do it. And please don't insult my intelligence with saying you're only keeping them for "self defense".

Ah, the great German general(ization) appears.

Let's take this apart point by point here. I derive no sexual satisfaction from looking at pictures of guns. I derive no sexual satisfaction from looking at, handling, or using firearms. I do get aesthetic pleasure from looking at a well crafted or well designed firearm, much like anyone but an ecomentalist gets from looking at a well crafted or designed car.

I have more than 50 guns, most of which live in safes and never get shot because they're too damn valuable to ruin their value by shooting. I have a collection that cost me over $100,000 over the past decade-plus, but which is now worth, oh, about a quarter million at unforced auction and increase in value annually. They are investments, not sexual objects.

About twenty or so are for self-defense, hunting of various kinds, and sport. Again, not sexual gratification. If sexual gratification were the cause, I would have certainly bought a Barrett M82A1 or something equally exotic by now and spammed pictures of it all over the Gun Thread. I haven't.

I also have never said that I keep guns for self-defense only. I keep guns for self defense, target shooting, sports, hunting (of several types of game) and other lawful purposes. I have always stated as much. How nice of you to conveniently omit that!

Finally, I believe that your disturbed perception that I post mostly gun pictures would be wrong by any objective count. You will find that I post far more Jaguar/car/cat/motorcycle/computer or humor pictures than guns. By your standards, that must mean that I derive sexual satisfaction from my cars, my cat, computers, motorcycles or jokes on the internet. That's not only sick but exceedingly unlikely.

You keep them, because you love them. Because they make you feel stronger, than you really are. Admit it.

Projecting again? Because your assertion is certainly not true; I suggest you seek psychiatric help to get you over your irrational fear of weapons.
 
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the only things I can come up with is that the Germans who rallied to the Nazi cause were either stupid or had some sort of genetic defect that caused this behavior. Since we know that Germans are generally not stupid, it must be some sort of genetic issue. In which case, it could come back.

Care to share the DNA results of those 15 million Germans with a comparitive sample from America, Britain, France, Spain and Russia?
 

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Care to share the DNA results of those 15 million Germans with a comparitive sample from America, Britain, France, Spain and Russia?

Well, can you come up with a better explanation? Nazism didn't originally catch on much outside Germany, though there were a few organizations here. Few other peoples seem to have thought it a good idea, though the Italians came pretty close to adopting the same thing.
 

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Bitterness from being blamed for WWI and the doucheishness of the treaty of Versailles, the Catholic church's official doctrine of antisemitism (which carried to the 1960s), group think, intense national pride, the list goes on. For there to be a specific set of genes that made them more prone to madness there would have to have been some sort of selective criteria that favored madness and prevented those without it from reproducing.
 
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Bitterness from being blamed for WWI and the doucheishness of the treaty of Versailles, the Catholic church's official doctrine of antisemitism (which carried to the 1960s), group think, intense national pride, the list goes on. For there to be a specific set of genes that made them more prone to madness there would have to have been some sort of selective criteria that favored madness and prevented those without it from reproducing.

Yes, but other countries on the Central Powers side suffered from almost all the same things and they didn't subscribe to Nazism. Plus the Treaty of Versailles' terms were remarkably similar to the terms of the Treaty of Frankfurt, which ended the Franco-Prussian war in 1871.
 
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They didn't suffer as much as Germany from the treaty, then their people didn't lose faith in the government through events like the Hyper inflation and the great depression and most importantly they didn't have hitler.

To counter that, they had clear warning in Mein Kampf, published in 1925 and 1926. Yet they voted for/supported him anyway.

I suspect this conversation may be discomforting MacGuffin. Good. To the rest of our German population, my apologies.
 

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Not anything like Germany did. Remember, one of the provisions was that they had to take FULL blame for the war. And among other things, Hitler used one of the greatest motivating forces imaginable: saying he was doing God's work, and unlike most crazies that spout that stuff, the church kind of agreed. That's power even genetics can't trump
 
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Not anything like Germany did. Remember, one of the provisions was that they had to take FULL blame for the war. And among other things, Hitler used one of the greatest motivating forces imaginable: saying he was doing Gods work, and unlike most crazies that spout that stuff, the church kind of agreed

Which would make sense except for one thing - it was the French who were mostly Catholics. The Germans were (IIRC) mostly Lutherans and other Protestants who didn't pay much attention to the Catholic Church. Besides which, half the politicians in Europe from the Renaissance forward had claimed the same thing and had Church support to greater or lesser degrees.
 
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To counter that, they had clear warning in Mein Kampf, published in 1925 and 1926. Yet they voted for/supported him anyway.

I suspect this conversation may be greatly discomforting MacGuffin. Good.

You countered nothing: you're saying they had clear warning that Hitler was a madman, they did. Yet you don't realise how much contempt was held by the German people for their Government. The majority of people viewed their government as backstabbers and perputrated the awful treaty on them, then their was the two massive economic downturns, a french invasion even. Hitler appealled to the German people because he offered a way out of the mess and he capitlised on the antisemitism in Germany to come to power. You are also forgetting that Hitler wasn't Elected on a majority, he was elected on a 33% victory which wasn't enough to secure control of the Reichstag. Hitler was able to secure Article 48 powers and with that he was able to ban the other parties in Germany.
 
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