I must apologize to all my friends here, Canucks and Euros..

Those are suggestions but if I were at a car event or show I would wear whatever I want. I understand that this is a forum predominantly about cars etc but it is my sig.

Im sorry if you dont like it but Im not the only one with a none car sig. Shouldnt we have the choice to have whatever sig we want, pending it isnt porn or breaking the rules?
 
This is what I used to have, as my sig, but ppl didnt like that it was too big,



I removed the text then had just those images for a while until some ppl thought it was too big. I reduced the size but couldnt fit all the images so i stuck with my current sig because the images are small enough that all of them can fit. Its just what I like.

I dont see what is offensive about my sig. Besides peeing on liberals, none of the images are in anyway offensive. And even that is not really offensive unless you are the politically correct type.
 
I thought it was images only??
 
I wear a lot of politcally inspired clothing when I'm out. Some people put political bumper stickers on their car......
 
Firecat-
I wear a lot of politcally inspired clothing when I'm out. Some people put political bumper stickers on their car......

And im sure you arent politically correct with it either, right? Feel free to express your political views, I say. :thumbsup:
 
justin syder said:
I thought it was images only??

max height is for the whole sig. But you're really close to being ok, aka if you take off one "enter" in your text, you fit within the limits.
 
i tried that and it dont look right, too cluttered.

It helps me get to the lists so thats why i have them there.
 
justin syder said:
Firecat-
I wear a lot of politcally inspired clothing when I'm out. Some people put political bumper stickers on their car......

And im sure you arent politically correct with it either, right? Feel free to express your political views, I say. :thumbsup:

Hey, freedom of expression 8)

Sometimes people get offended, but that's not my problem. It's their problem. If they feel like having a discussion on whatever issue, I can hold my own. But I find people are less willing to have a dialogue vs. having an argument. I couldn't care less either way.
 
Sometimes people get offended, but that's not my problem. It's their problem. If they feel like having a discussion on whatever issue, I can hold my own.

FINALLY, someone that agrees with me on not having to be politically correct.

Im sure we dont agree politically but Im glad to see we can express ourselves without worrying about "offending" someone or each other.
 
I'm conscious about others feelings, but i'm not going to compromie who I am to accommodate for their sensitivity.
 
Firecat said:
I'm conscious about others feelings, but i'm not going to compromie who I am to accommodate for their sensitivity.
why do you refuse to change in someone more sensitive towards others? like its a bad thing.
 
:?: Not quite sure if I get what you are saying.

What I mean is that if someone were to ask for my opinion regarding something, I'll tell them exactly how I feel. I don't care how they take it, and I won't fear any retribution.
 
What I said earlier about "Ford Sucks" t-shirts really has nothing to do with freedom of expression - I am saying that it is a form of branding yourself. If I walk up to someone new and have a conversation with them wearing what I normally wear (usually no visible brand names\logos, relatively normal clothing) the conversation will go differently than if I walked up wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt covered in anti-Bush slogan buttons, a Free Tibet hat, and a pot leaf necklace.

I have nothing against people who wear Che Guevara t-shirts covered in anti-Bush slogan buttons, Free Tibet hats, and pot leaf necklaces, just in my experience a constructive and educational discussion is more common between two relatively objective looking (read unbranded) human beings.

What would be more likely: two people - one wearing a "Ford Sucks" shirt and the other wearing a "Chevy Suck" shirt - either a) having a constructive discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of the Corvette and the Mustang, or b) screaming at each other, making ape sounds and eventually throwing their own feces at each other. It's an extreme example, but you get the point (and if you don't believe me try going to your local racetrack\dragstrip wearing a "Ford Sucks" or "Chevy Sucks" piece of clothing).
 
I haven't notice a discussion with Firecat about his views and pro-Che Guevara avatar. He has his views and I have mine.

I guess if you feel that way then that is you but we all have a favorite car, team etc and will show favoritism or brand ourselves in some way. You can say the same with me regarding the Yankess, I and a die hard fan. A Boston fan saying ANYTHING towards my team will end up trying to argue against me and the many championships the Yankess have won.

But if you go that route, then lets all have anonymous or non-branding sigs and avatars. Heck even are sign-on names, Viper, SL55, renesis etc show a form of branding, why not change those?

I think we are just assuming things and really should just take this whole sig thing with a grain of salt. I say, brand yourself, show you affiliation etc, do what YOU want to do. Dont let others influence you. We can have a debate about something even though my sig is Pro-Bush.

I'll set up a new debate to prove it.
 
^ There is a difference between having a user name\avatar\signature that is your favorite car, sports team, political figure etc. and having a picture of an elephant pissing on the word "Liberals". That image exists for no other reason than to provoke people.

Furthermore, there is a major difference between being overtly politically branded and making a reference to your favorite car. :?
 
:lol:

I don't dress that politcal.

But what about wearing expensive clothes, or wearing clothes with stains on them...? Conversations will go differently with people based on that also. People make all types of assumptions when they meet you.

I understand your point about provocation. I think there are limits, for example...someone wearing a shirt that reads "I hate niggers"...
 
I think if you let it provoke you then, as stated by Firecat, its really not my problem.

Take it as it is, im not removing it. Im sorry that it bothers you that much but Im not going to be politically correct for you or anyone that dont like it.
 
Firecat said:
But what about wearing expensive clothes, or wearing clothes with stains on them...? Conversations will go differently with people based on that also. People make all types of assumptions when they meet you.
Yeah, that is very true. However, there may not be a way of dressing or looking neutral, but wearing a shirt with a political slogan and wearing a shirt with no slogan or logo is completely different.

Firecat said:
I understand your point about provocation. I think there are limits, for example...someone wearing a shirt that reads "I hate niggers"...
Yeah, that's exactly my point. I am really not a politically correct person at all and am 100% behind freedom of expression, so I have no problem with Justin having a signature that includes an elephant pissing on the world 'Liberal'. It's an overtly political and unintelligent picture though (I'm not in any way meaning to say that Justin is unintelligent - I am saying that the image has barely any conceptual worth: it does not educated, it does not inform. It can only function on one level, and that is to provoke people) and there are certain repercussions that come with having political signatures like that.

justin syder said:
I think if you let it provoke you then, as stated by Firecat, its really not my problem.

Take it as it is, im not removing it. Im sorry that it bothers you that much but Im not going to be politically correct for you or anyone that dont like it.
I'll further my point here a bit, with the expense of turning this in to a rant. In my opinion, it would be quite improbable for a person wearing a "Ford Sucks" hat and a person wearing a "Chevy Sucks" hat to have a constructive conversation. I may be making a generalization here, but I really do think that branding yourself with unintelligent (I'm using the word in the same way I did earlier) slogans and images can only lead to lower quality discussions. The "Ford Sucks" guy isn't going to go up to the "Chevy Sucks" guy and say, "Hmmmm, I admire your hat, but can't say I agree with the sentiments you are expressing. Would you like to sit down, get a drink and discuss the strengths and weaknesses of Ford and Chevy?". More likely, the "Ford Sucks" guy is going to walk up to the "Chevy Sucks" guy and punch him in the face, kick him in the balls, yell at him, or scream expletives at his face.

Now, lets take it a bit further. Wouldn't it be ironic if the "Chevy Sucks" guy was confused by the way "Ford Sucks" guy was treating him. He would come home to his wife and say "I just don't understand it, every time I go to the racetrack people yell and scream at me... I wonder what the problem is...". His observant wife would reply "well honey, I think that hat you wear may cause problems. You might just be bringing these reactions upon yourself".

Justin has told me that I'm taking signatures "too seriously", but I've spent the last 5 years of my life studying visual arts and semiotics. It may be the school, or it may just be common sense (most likely the common sense), but it seems pretty obvious to me that having a signature like his brings out certain reactions in people. Again, I have no problem with his signature personally, I just find it ironic that he expects discussions to go beyond "Bush is stupid" when he plasters every political discussion he enters with such an unintelligent image.
 
i never said that justin's sig was offensive. i said it was inflammatory and out-of-place in a car forum - and i stand by that. the first time i came to this forum and saw his sig, i thought he was a bit of a turkey... but at no time did it offend me.

if someone wants to look like a right-wing nutter and give people the impression he is, i don't give a shit, as long as it doesn't distract anyone from their forum experience.

for me personally, seeing bush's ugly face when i'm trying to read one of justin's posts, is distracting. :thumbsdown:

but i'm a new bloke around here and a minimal contributer, so at the end of they day, who cares? :cry: :)

edit: i'm not saying i think justin is a turkey now, that was just my first impression because of his sig. having said that, if you have a sig like that you have to expect to give a non-neutral impression.
 
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