I really hate people like this.

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An armed society is a society where free speech is non-existent and people live in fear. Your point merely hammers that point home, congrats of having a society full of individual dictators.

But hey, threats of violence are easily the best way of dealing with problems... :rolleyes:
Er, no. Free speech is actually MORE prevalent in armed societies, but the emotional loading is lower - hence the polite society part of the old Heinlein quote. In Texas, for example, the woman would not have gotten in the videographer's face or blocked him in. She might have tried convincing him that he was in the wrong, but she would not have been as heated or animated.

I would even point out that in an armed society there is less discrimination and attacks on those who hold unpopular views than in unarmed ones as those who would attack them have to take into account that the other person might have effective and permanent means of resisting.

Freedom of speech does not mean that you have the right to infringe on the rights of others. She was doing so and in a more well-armed society might have gotten what she deserved.

I would refer you to MWF's recent experiences here in Dallas. He went to the State Fair which is in one of the worst parts of Dallas, and a predominantly minority one as well. I'll let him tell you of his experiences with our armed society and how it compares in civility, free exchange of ideas, and conduct vice unarmed ol' Blighty. Edit: Which it appears he has already done.

As mentioned above - if you express your views to another civilly and courteously to another in an armed society, you will at least be heard in the same vein. It is only when you move to deprive another of their rights that things can get ugly for the instigator - as it should be.
 
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That fat bitch is an idiot. I would not only tell her to step away from my personal space but to mind her own damn business since it was a public place. And the second she touched my family, me or my vehicle I would deck that ho.

Id have sat there and revved the engine like nothing else!
^ This.

I would of not only done that but pulled around to the side of her can and kept my foot on the gas and let that smoke get into her cabin. :D

Although she was annoying I have to agree to a certain extent, why let the car idle for no apparent reason? Doesn't matter if he is in a truck or a Mini, its annoying all the same. And it didn't seem to be so warm that they had to have the aircon running.
If anything I'd buy a less fuel efficient one just to annoy said person.
+1

Diesels also use very little fuel (relative to petrol) when idling. That's why some truckers who sleep in their cab leave their engine on all night in winter, so they can keep the heat on.
That and if cold enough diesel fuel turns gelatinous so it is preferable to keep the drivetrain warm.

I think obesity is worse than an idling truck.
+1

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Now that's what I'm talking about. I would of backed up more and coated that car in black smoke. :D
 
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I would of not only done that but pulled around to the side of her can and kept my foot on the gas and let that smoke get into her cabin. :D

Now that's what I'm talking about. I would of backed up more and coated that car in black smoke. :D
Harming someone's health and possessions in spite/revenge is not going to solve anything.
 

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Some of you should really open their testosterone bleed valves... my FSM, you're childish.
 

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You cannot give DIESEL SMOKE to the same post twice.
EDIT: @ D-fence
 
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Testosterone bleed valve? More like "a much more pleasant thing then tying her up and sanding her skin down with sandpaper coated in salt."
 

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Harming someone's health and possessions in spite/revenge is not going to solve anything.
On the contrary :mrgreen:, it not only would make the person doing it feel better but possibly teach the offender (in this case the stupid woman) to leave people alone and to stay out of their fucking business. This situation would of never been an issue if she wouldn't of come off all high and mighty and just politely asked them to move or just move herself. After all she wasn't even in a parking space in that video AND she used inappropriate language in front of the child. That right there deserves a response in the form of exhaust smoke. :lol: So "turn the other cheek" doesn't work with these people, they need to be put in their place.
 

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I would have kept it in the revs and yell "I'm sorry, I can't hear you! I'm too busy trying to kill the planet!"
 

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My share of diesel smoke

Gotta do it in Caddy style.
Smoke at 0:37, 0:50, 1:33 (just to name a few instances)

Also :lol:
 

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It's apparently in Northborough, Massachussetts. Heavy gun control, pro-liberal/green, very socialist state.

There's a reason this sort of thing pretty much doesn't happen in Texas or most of the South/Southwest (save California) - the hippie green types know they'll (rightfully) get shot. I'd have to double check with a lawyer, but I *think* she actually committed assault by the laws of the state of Texas. It's borderline there... However, she did commit the crimes of injury to a child and false imprisonment, both state jail felonies. IANAL (but I stay at Holiday Inn Expresses), but IMHO the driver would be technically justified in opening fire if she continued to refuse to allow him or his spouse to leave. Edit: It'd be a tossup at the jury level; a better choice would be to draw his sidearm and hold her for the police (I assume that's what the wife was on the phone for) - then press the felony charges. She'd probably have to sell her precious little Prius to pay her legal bills.

The fun thing is that since this IS Massachussetts, there's a chance that he could successfully sue for emotional trauma and damages civilly. :D And he should.
So I'm no lawyer, but I did have a suspicion of assault (I'm taking a law class right now, and am trying to apply what I learn to everything). I brought this up with my professor today in lecture (a practicing lawyer for the last 42 years, not just a prof who does theoretical stuff - also drives a '67 Corvette), and he agreed that it was assault. If the pickup owner really wanted to sue, he had the grounds to.

And I'm not surprised at all that this happened in my home state. After all, I've personally been protested against by 2 hippies in Brookline, MA while driving my dad's Toyota Rav4, because I was killing the planet by being the sole occupant of an SUV.
 
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YEAH, LET'S GENERALIZE ABOUT STATES WE'VE NEVER BEEN TO, SPECTRE!

Northboro is a few towns away from me and CrzRzn, and it isn't exactly...Greenwich Village, Portlandia, Austin, or wherever you like to generalize. In fact, it's got its fair share of people in F-350s...as well as its fair share of people with LTC permits and FIDs (as two of my N-boro-dwelling friends can attest). Does this mean this could happen anywhere? That woman had a Minnesota/north-Midwest accent, and I could've sworn this was filmed in Fargo or something. Does it matter? No, because it's refreshing to know that there are dumb people everywhere, and we tend to think that MA denizens like to take care of their bodies a bit south of porpoise-like (given the stereotypes you so wantonly associate us with). After all, being fat isn't very socialist, right?

Is Texas full of steers and queers? Because, Spectre, you look like both to me.
 

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On the contrary :mrgreen:, it not only would make the person doing it feel better but possibly teach the offender (in this case the stupid woman) to leave people alone and to stay out of their fucking business. This situation would of never been an issue if she wouldn't of come off all high and mighty and just politely asked them to move or just move herself. After all she wasn't even in a parking space in that video AND she used inappropriate language in front of the child. That right there deserves a response in the form of exhaust smoke. :lol: So "turn the other cheek" doesn't work with these people, they need to be put in their place.
By the teachings of our Lord Spectre, it would just get you shot. Maybe not this time, she doesn't look like the type... but maybe next time you assault people with your carcinogens. That's what you all tell us when we want you to drive modern Diesels...
 

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YEAH, LET'S GENERALIZE ABOUT STATES WE'VE NEVER BEEN TO, SPECTRE!
So, you're denying that Massachusetts has heavy gun control laws, leans liberal/green, and tend to be socialist?

After all, being fat isn't very socialist, right?
You might want to look at pictures of the old Soviet and current Chinese Politburos. They seem to have an oversampling of fat people...

Not to mention the old Soviet Premiers/Presidents were mostly relatively short fat men.
 
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