Urban Sombrero said:
I'm sorry, but a lot of you are just plain wrong about Camaro's/Firebirds
They are not womens cars at all and they are both basically the same. You have to get the V8's though, others are no good.
The Z28, T/A, T/A WS6, SS all have an LS1 V8 factory rated at 300 hp but they were underrated from the factory so they put down 300 at the wheels, so it's about 320-340 at the flywheel. The LS1 is one of the best engines on the market if you want big power for cheap. They go very fast and can smoke sports cars twice the price. They can run quarters in the 14's all day. And believe it or not, they DO handle well.
They are great cars, I'm saving money to get one. Best deal on the market. At least in the U.S.
Trust me, I may no very little about Bit Torrent, but I know a lot about cars. Go to streetfire.net if you want proof these cars are fast. I'm a member there, my name is Prodigious.
Correct, however they don't run 14's. The car in my avatar is a 2001 Camaro SS, it's listed as 320hp, I think.. usually they dyno around 300 to 310. They run low 13's, and have been known to dip into the 12's with a very good driver.
As for handling, I believe they handle very well. Around a race track, they probably won't do so well because of the weight. And obviously, as compared with Porsches, etc :rollseyes: There are a lot of cars out there that can handle better, but people get confused at what the purpose of these cars are. But WRX,EVO, etc. can handle better! Yeah, but those are built to rally. BMWs handle better! Yes, they cost a hell of a lot more, too. Miatas, etc! Yeah, those weigh a hell of a lot less, have less power, and are two-seaters. On the street, however.. you don't exactly have race track bends, so it handles just dandy, in my opinion.
Modding is always an option, too.
Aside from every japanese car I've owned saying made in Japan, you can judge a car by where it comes from, because cars from certain makes have certain design philosophy attached to them[/quote]
Every? Can you say biased? Yes for design philosophy... however you're reaching into the stereotype realm.
zenkidori said:
dude they insult American cars because most of them suck. yeah the highways in the midwest are straight, and good ol boys like drag racing, but go anywhere there are mountains and you'll find some of the twisties roads anywhere, and there are quite a few club racers who prefer a car that turns to one that can go straight for 1/4 mile. I'm not saying that all american cars can't turn and are rubbish, but our iconic cars that seem to embody american motors are pretty bad. NASCAR and drag racing are seriously lame IMO. Perhaps the reason that import cars sell so well is because they offer a better driving experience. I have driven a few generations of firebird, camaro and mustang and I have always left pretty unimpressed.
Most of them suck? Again, biased exaggerations. I'd venture to definitely say MOST American cars arn't design to
1) Have high amounts of horsepower
2) Take a 90degree turn at 60mph.
3) Carry a small amount of luggage/people
Consider this.. Americans are currently into huge vehicles. We're talking SUVs, trucks, vans.. I can assure you, that other car manufacturers definitely are not trying to cater to Americans. I think Europeans could agree that the Euro cars are definitely designed to fit to European roads and standards. BMWs are built for luxury, and technology. Porsche is built to handle. American cars are generally for ego maniacs (SIZE), currently. (As pointed out earlier).
Does that mean all American cars suck and can't handle? No. It just means the cars weren't designed for you. The corvette is sheer proof that America can build a ballsy beast that handles as well as cars twice its price. The Ford GT is proof we can build a car that Jeremy likes (he's European, you know). It's just generally NOT on America's mind. That's not what the average family (which averages 4 or 5 family members) can use.
As far as gas mileage, the new 7 liter Corvette Z06 is rated at 16 city/26 hw. That's pretty good for 505HP, I'd have to say. The 6 liter base Vette is 18/28 with 400hp, if I recall correctly. I drive a Camaro, 5.7 Liters. It gets 20mpg city, 28 highway (That's real-life testing, not just EPA ratings). I'm 18, I drive pretty fast, and because of this, 20 mpg is definitely NOT bad at all. However, if you compare it to a 4-cylinder, of course it's nothing to brag about.
What I'm saying is, stop bashing American cars because you don't like them. Not everybody is into the greatest handling, fastest thing. Not everybody has 40 grand to blow on a car.
I know of quite a few shitty Euro cars that TopGear has reviewed. Your ideas are skewed and biased, I have to say. And it's obvious from hearing you talking.
Oh, and last but not least.. I'd like to point out the SMART car. Who designed that? Europeans. (I'm still mad at you guys for that one.) This is just further proof that many people are blinded by their opinions.
To sum up:
Porsche is not the only German car company in Germany. Stop thinking about only the top brands. Stop thinking everything has to handle like one.
Americans are not the only people that have designed cars that nobody likes. SMART
(Shit I just realized Urban Sombrero basically said what I just said
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Oh well. I've got your back, Urban.