Uh yeah, my wife gets 15 weeks, i get 2 days. Talk about inequality there.
Great topic, this is still a huge problem, woman want equality yet still except all the practices that were used to woo them. I have the same attitude, your able to stand just as well as I am.
Moving out of the corporate world and into the purely social realm, I continue to get torqued up by the inequality. Guys, when was the last time you were at a bar and a woman bought you a drink? When was the last time a woman asked you out and paid for the meal and the cab ride? It happens, but in a minuscule proportion compared to the number of times the man pays. He's expected to pay, they know it and we know it. Pink Username Brigade, no offense, but how many times do you pick up the tab or send a drink to a guy? How many times have you gotten dressed up and gone out expecting guys to pay for your drinks? Hardly seems fair, maybe this could be where all that extra money we earn is going. It sounds to me like men have higher expenses, even in these modern and emancipated times.
The difference in pay is minimal at least in Finland.
There's only a few jobs where the difference is more than 100?. That is NOT a big difference.
Anyway. I honestly believe modern feminists will not be happy before all heterosexual men are turned into "walking somethings". Some time ago I found out that there was a feminist group somewhere(sorry, don't remember where and when anymore) said that the most sovinist thing a man can do to a woman is to sleep with her. Also, we should create a matrialcal society for the exact same time that there was a patriarcal society.
All of the above is clearly proof, that feminists completely lack any kind of sense whatsoever. They don't have brains, they only have opinions. Yes. Feminists make women seem permanently disabled. Their opinions and stupid demands make women seem retarded.
but it also sucks that women have been seen as "second rate" to men for centuries.
Have youever asked yourself why in every culture on this planet it is men that were in charge of prettymuch everything for centuries?
I always assumed it was due to the incapacitation of the female before, during, and after pregnancy, combined with biological triggers in females to stay with developing offspring and in males to search for food. I have no particular reason as to why these triggers would develop, however. What are your ideas on the subject?
What that bloody idiot doesn't know is what a "gentleman" actually means. And let me make it clear for all the women and men on this board that "gentleman" DOES NOT MEAN "gentle man". It means a "noble man". Noble, as in the old sense of the word, not the whining idiot who sends a check to the poor starving children of Africa (who never see a cent btw) and everyone says "how noble. Noble in old times meant that the man in question was of high status. He came from a family with a good name. He was known and respected in his community and the people around him would give their best to fall into his graces.While I was doing that, obviously the woman behind me (who I couldn't see) had been eyeing off the seat, because as I sat down, she muttered "oh, the perfect gentleman".
Well, me, I'm just waiting for another large war to happen, because once it does and the Canadian troops run out of men and conscription comes along, do you still think that they will recruit only men?? Hell no!! Sister, mother, wife, grab a rifle and let's go!! Yes ladies, that means that in the next world war, when we're going to be blown up, shot at, live in misery, with little food and no shelter, in knee-deep muddy ditches infested with rats or trotting through a sticky jungle for miles and miles, you will be right there with us. Because unfortunately equal rights means equal responsibilities.Great topic, this is still a huge problem, woman want equality yet still except all the practices that were used to woo them. I have the same attitude, your able to stand just as well as I am.
I'm losing faith in the whole good things come to nice guys. Typically I've gone out of my way to open doors for women, offer them my seat, or anything else that might make their day a little nicer. But my considerate acts never receive anything more than an obligatory thank you. Why is it that the biggest jerks get the nicest girls? And why must those nice girls see stick with them when they're obviously being treated like crap? Maybe it's time to let out my inner asshole.
Well, men, let me put it to you this way:Exactly.
Opening a door should result in sex and giving up a seat, well, y'know... while you're down there.
My problem is that feminism seems to have stopped being about fighting for equal rights and has become an excuse, an unassailable platform from which women can whine about not getting their due. Didn't get a job? It must be a man's fault! Not getting the pay you deserve? Sexism! Horseshit.
Want to know the real reason women don't get the same pay or the promotions that men do? I've read years of the research and here's the answer: They don't fight for it. Women tend not to negotiate salary and take the early offer; they wait for promotions to be offered while others (men) are kissing ass, pressing palms and selling themselves to the corporate bosses. In short, women tend to settle for less. Well guess what? If you don't fight for it, the way your mothers and grandmothers did for suffrage, then you don't get to bitch about it. Period. End of fucking discussion. I have no more sympathy for someone who cries about being thirsty but won't get up to get a glass of water.
Ambermorn, this may come as a surprise to you, and many here, but promotion in the workplace is not given to those who outperform their co-workers, and longevity with a company. Instead, promotions are given by the bosses to the closer friends they have in the company ... and sometimes even outside the company. Doesn't matter if you kiss ass, doesn't matter how well you perform in your job. The only thing that matters for promotion is how close a friend you are to the big boss.i'm always passed over for promotion at work (even when i've been there 5 years, and the male's only been there a few months).
i am number one ass kisser in that place and constantly outperform my coworkers.
That being said, I never pay for strange women's drinks, never. That that's because I'm a gentleman (see above). On the flipside, I've been known to call women on the fact that they expect guys to pay for their consumption.Guys, when was the last time you were at a bar and a woman bought you a drink? When was the last time a woman asked you out and paid for the meal and the cab ride? It happens, but in a minuscule proportion compared to the number of times the man pays. He's expected to pay, they know it and we know it. Pink Username Brigade, no offense, but how many times do you pick up the tab or send a drink to a guy? How many times have you gotten dressed up and gone out expecting guys to pay for your drinks? Hardly seems fair, maybe this could be where all that extra money we earn is going. It sounds to me like men have higher expenses, even in these modern and emancipated times.
Ahh, the media, provider of social stereotypes. Oh, this is a favorite of the feminists. They prattle on about how young girls are taught by fairy tales that they need a good man to be complete, that toys encourage them to want to cook and clean, and that they just need to be pretty enough for Prince Charming to rescue them and take them away. Valid points, all; but what about the flip side of the coin? Let's take a look at that same story, what does it say about men? We are told that our purpose, our reason for being is to rescue the maiden... simple as pie, we just have to be a knight in shining armor (have you ever polished that stuff? It takes for sodding ever!) on a white steed (you try riding in 200 lb of plate steel) ride in gallantly to the rescue (we look real gallant when a crane is lifting our metallic ass into the saddle), single-handedly assault the castle, defeat the guards, slay the villain/witch/dragon, wake up the fair maiden with a kiss so good it snaps her out of a coma, and live happily ever after. *whew* That's all, no biggie.
So what happens when we try to offer a token gesture of chivalry?
I think I made that decision when a rabid diesel-dyke shouted at me when I warned her that the man-hole cover was slippery. Fuck you, I won't call it a "person-hole cover." You can find out the hard way that the circular cast plate of steel set into the concrete aggregate pedestrian walkway is wet and slipper when you fall on your ass. This is my thanks for offering a friendly warning.
Women say they want equality, but 95% of them have no idea what that means. When women start fighting for the right to register for the Selective Service (that means the draft for anyone without a penis) at the age of 18, then, and only then, will feminism once more have my support. Until then, you have all that you need, make the most of your privilege without your responsibility.
Not entirely true. You say this because you're a guy and you're straight, and saying that the male form is beautiful in this day and age would make people label you as a homosexual.women are the most beautiful things on earth, its alright to do something nice once in a while.
Actually just before I signed into the forum to read this thread, I sent a very stern message to a good girld friend of mine that I've known for 3 years and respected because she posted her facebook status as "men these days are just a waste". I told her that she insulted me , that I was very dissapointed in her, Which I am, and I demanded that she take it back. No seriously, it's true. And I did that because I'm a gentleman, too. (see above if you don't get it)To add to what Blind said, which by the way was the best post this year in my opinion. The main problem seen in this, (this comes from articles I've read as well as personal observation) is the mens lack of standing up for being constantly insulted as a gender in general. There are so many times that woman call Men Stupid, Lazy, Assholes, Jerks, Dicks, etc on TV shows, the workplace, and at home, and it is not considered sexiest by either woman of the people quality checking the media, Such things have lead to woman being able to the openly criticize men for any sort of mistake or just generally being male, and we just stand there and take it, this is both verbal abuse and sexism, though I sound like I am getting carried away here I am not, just last month on digg I found an article pertaining to just exact subject, if my bookmarks had not erased I would have included it, but it brought up the points that I just made.
Dude, wtf, that was weak. Paying for sex? Women are not prostitutes, dude. They give sex not because men pay for it, but because they somehow think men deserve it and because they like those men. It has nothing to do with paying for dinner, a drink, etc.Woman, please don't complain about men being assholes and only caring about sex, because you cannot deny you like it just as much as they do, and its a lot better to be paid in some form for sex then having to pay for it. So if you really don't have to have a one night stand, then put more value on personality then on their wallet.
Well, back to the idea of a gentleman, one would pay for his own drink, by default. It is not a matter of embarassment, but rather a matter of pride and respect for one's image. Men should never expect their women to pay for their drinks. They should be able to have their own, regardless of their woman's pocket size.A lot of that stems from the same societal pressures that feminists have such a problem with: that men are supposed to be dominant, tough, bread-winning protectors, and women are supposed to be submissive, delicate, comforting nurturers. The women out there who would rather be the one to pay for dinner, buy cute guys' drinks at the bar, or hold doors open for them are the same sort of women that get called names like "dyke", "butch", or "carpet muncher".
In the same vein, guys who let the woman pay for things, or who stay at home while their wife makes the lion's share of the money are called everything from "weak" and "girly" to "whipped" and "bitch", so while free drinks sound nice, there are a lot of guys who don't want to risk the embarrassment.
Indeed, women should never be discriminated against just because they are women. This has been so for ages and the situation has definitely taken a turn for the better in our times.it also sucks that women have been seen as "second rate" to men for centuries. and yes, i know the feminism movement is tiresome, but i don't see a reason why i should be paid less for doing the same amount of work as a man and discriminated against for being a woman.
And that's exactly what they are: jackasses. Please do not confuse real men with jackasses. There are still a lot of them out there, true. But we dislike them as much as you do.sometimes people don't take what i say seriously, but when i get an older male to repeat what i've said word for word, they'll respect what he says. some don't believe that i can't cook and when i try to do something; "oh, that's a man's job." yeah, i'm a huMAN too, jackass.