Its pointless, you're too set in your ways, it wouldnt be an argument, we would just scream meaningless facts and figures at eachother and nothing would be resolved. Intelligent and productive discussion is impossible on the internet.
Well, if you put it that way: Why have you put 1160 posts in this forum?
Discussions on the internet can of course be very constructive - as long as you try to see and understand the point another one wants to make.
Let me make my point:
As a car enthusiast, I look out for other cars. And I have a good memory. So how many U.S. cars did I see recently?
Well, there was a Chrysler Crossfire the other day and a guy in a PT Cruiser. Then there was a 300 C and a couple Voyagers - and that's about it. Oh, and a Jeep - but don't ask for details.
You see more U.S. cars in Southern Germany but that's because of the U.S. military bases.
Of course Ford and GM (with Opel & Vauxhall) have European branches that produce cars for the European market, but they are independently designed and built in European factories, so they are 100 % European cars.
Considering all the choices and the variety of brands you can buy here, why do you rarely see a U.S. car? It's not because they're too expensive. Every review of an American car points out how much cheaper it is in comparison to its competitors. So if price is not the issue, what is?
Well, the only real U.S. brand that sells enough to pop up in surveys here, is Chrysler with its sub brands Jeep and Dodge. That's because they tried to get a foot on the German market during the time they were owned by Mercedes.
Not very successful, though, because you can spot Chrysler very easily in each and every quality or reliability survey: On the bottom, right below Alfa Romeo, Kia and Land Rover. They usually share the last place with Chevrolet (which used to be Daewoo).
And that is exactly the problem: Cars made in America are in their current state not competitive enough for the European markets, which on a worldwide scale, are the benchmark. If they cannot make it here, they'll have a serious problem in the future.
You may not recognize that problem in the USA because you only see your local market and lack the comparison. It may look like things are quite okay there, maybe even getting better.
But the bitter truth is: The global claims have already been located and divided. The future belongs to those who can be competitive everywhere. For the others it might already be too late. Because in an increasing global economy, you simply cannot afford to make cars that only sell well in one country.