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Jan-14 -FB Club - GTI/GT [SR:10][FR:70laps]

I'm glad you made it Pdanev, it wouldn't have been fun missing a race right away.

In the sprint race I was plagued with slow frame rates again, and most of the time I got the strobe light / slide show effect.

Luckily in the feature race I got of to a good start and got in to 2nd place.
Firefox passed me so I dropped to third, but that was ok.
I had an ace up my sleeve with my plan to stop in lap 70, so I figured it was my race to lose.
With no damage I would have to have a 12 second lead at the time I entered the pit in order to come out 1st.
Unfortunately, in the beginning of lap 4 disaster struck.
I braked at my usual spot for turn 1 with MXM behind me and Mischief next to him (who I hadn't seen yet).
So I start to turn in when all of the sudden I saw what looked like someone entering the corner way to fast.
So I keep it on the brakes in the corner since I was going to need to take the outside of the corner in order to miss whoever was entering the corner too fast.
Unfortunately it was too late: GraemeH hit Mischief, Mischief hit me, and around I went.
I dropped from 3rd to 2nd to last, and now I was 11 seconds behind Firefox and I had damage to boot. :(

I crawled back and I had close to a 12 second lead after everyone made their pit stops. Unfortunately I had some slow laps because encountered some slower cars in unfortunate spots.
So when I entered the pit I only had a 9 second lead and damage that needed to be repaired, so FireFox passed me.

I had plenty of fun though. :thumbsup:
 
Mischief007 said:
Stats are done. And I didn't touch you when you, MXM, and mgkdk collided. I found a hole and escaped.

How would you like the stats?
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Just upload them somewhere, or rar them and upload to rapidshare/yousendit in the full format so firefox can put them on the site as well.

About the crash, really? You lucky... :p I thought you also got cought up it the massacre. :lol:
edit: did you btw see from behind what actually happened there and why we crashed?
 
Oh, I also had a little collision with a GTI player, dunno who it was, blue-ish skin. He tried to overtake me in the last corner, came in from the inside and I didn't see that, thought he backed off/was further behind, so a bit of collision there as well, nothing too serious though.
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That would be me. :p

Well, this race had me sweating halfway through...I really tried to keep out fast peoples way, I hope I wasnt a hinder. Secondly, my setup was for sprint races...and did I mention I stupidly put hybrid tires on the back?!? I dont why either! The fact that I got a 51:.xx meant I must be doing SOMETHING right.
 
pdanev said:
Mischief007 said:
Stats are done. And I didn't touch you when you, MXM, and mgkdk collided. I found a hole and escaped.

How would you like the stats?
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Just upload them somewhere, or rar them and upload to rapidshare/yousendit in the full format so firefox can put them on the site as well.

About the crash, really? You lucky... :p I thought you also got cought up it the massacre. :lol:
edit: did you btw see from behind what actually happened there and why we crashed?
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I was too far away to see what really happened.

Stats:
http://files.filefront.com/resultsrar/;4614603;;/fileinfo.html
 
pdanev said:
edit: did you btw see from behind what actually happened there and why we crashed?
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From what I can see from the replay (lap 58 I think), the situation was this:
Mgkdk is all the way over on the left side of the road on the end of the straight, just before turn 1.
MXM and Pdanev are side by side. MXM is close to all the way over on the left side.
Pdanev is squeezing over to the left a bit leaving MXM potentially on a path to be blocked by Mgkdk in the front and Pdanev on the right.
Either Pdanev continues squeezing over to the left, or MXM goes slightly right, but the result is that mxm's right front connects with Pdanev's left rear.
This causes Pdanev to go sideways to the left, trapping MXM with him, and they both crash in to Mgkdk, and they spin. :lol:
 
:lol: Sounds funny now, but when I couldn't get out from that damn grass for 1/2 an hour I wasn't that amused :lol:
 
I was the 'blueish' (blue+orange Gulf colours) car that was in the incident at the last corner on the first lap with you.

VIDEO

As for Mischief, my fault. I wasn't so much going 'too fast' though as someone said. I would have made the corner with a tight enough line to leave room for the other two people on the left, it's just that i was relying on them holding the wide lines they were on, which of course they had no obligation to do. There was already 2 across so i should have known to stay back since people would be turning in on their normal line. I should only have challenged if i was already overlapping your car at the turn-in point.

VIDEO

Excuse the rather drunk seeming camera handling, you get the idea.

Cool races, didn't expect to do so well. To be entirely honest i'm not happy about ESPN's last lap 'pit' (half pit) tactic, but as he says it's not against the rules. Hopefully the exploit (as i see it, but that's another discussion) is fixed in the next patch.

Good race all :)
 
^ No worries here. I was going to undertake MXM and ESPNSTI at the same time since I was going a little faster. Didn't know someone else had the same plan :p :lol:.
 
GraemeH what's wrong with ESPN pitting in last lap?

It's really up to you when you pit, wether in lap 1 or las lap, all up to you. You can make use of the pit any time you want, with any strategy you want. You can pit early if traffic is holding you up, or make use of being in the 1st place and being able to lap faster times without traffic interferring, and pitting later.

If you take enough fuel with you, and your tires last for the entire race, then go ahead, I don't think anyone considers it exploiting the rule, or playing in a non sportsman way.

I personally don't see anything wrong with it. :)

but that's another discussion
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Well that's what this thread is for, discuss race related issues. So just go ahead. ;)
 
GraemeH said:
As for Mischief, my fault. I wasn't so much going 'too fast' though as someone said. I would have made the corner with a tight enough line to leave room for the other two people on the left, it's just that i was relying on them holding the wide lines they were on, which of course they had no obligation to do. There was already 2 across so i should have known to stay back since people would be turning in on their normal line. I should only have challenged if i was already overlapping your car at the turn-in point.
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By too fast, I meant too fast to stop from hitting me where I was going (the apex).
Overtaking three cars in a sharp 90 degree corner when you're 1.5 to 2 car lengths from the front most car, is probably not a good idea. :p
But hey, it's just racing, having fun is what counts.

GraemeH said:
To be entirely honest i'm not happy about ESPN's last lap 'pit' (half pit) tactic, but as he says it's not against the rules. Hopefully the exploit (as i see it, but that's another discussion) is fixed in the next patch.
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Well I have no problem if we want to make a rule that you can't have your only pit on the last lap.
However if that rule was in place, I would have pitted on lap 89 since it's still beneficial because you don't have a lengthy fuel fill that way.
Judging by the lap times of the lap after pitting of other people, I would have lost another 4 to 5 seconds to you, and since you finished close to 7 seconds behind me, that means it wouldn't have made a difference. :)
 
^ Result wouldn't be much different imo. Since you went into pits the last lap, you were running the race on almost full tank, which slows you down quite a lot, so the few seconds "gain" you had from pitting in last lap, is offset imo by the time you lost racing on full tank.
 
Well i'm not really bringing it up beacuse i thought it would make a difference to our relative positions; i took care of that with a last lap last corner balls up :p

It's just that, relative to everyones elses pit stops, it was a half pit. Everyone else still drove at the speed limit for another 10-15 seconds to clear the pit. No, there's no rule probably in any race series that says a pit stop must comprise entrance, stop and full exit (though in some series it has to be within a certain lap range), and anyone else could have chosen to pit on the last lap, but the word i used after the race was 'questionable'. I think that's the right word/right strength of word.

If i'm the only one/if there's only a minority of people that feel that, no biggie. I won't be bothering to mention it if it happens again.
 
pdanev said:
^ Result wouldn't be much different imo. Since you went into pits the last lap, you were running the race on almost full tank, which slows you down quite a lot, so the few seconds "gain" you had from pitting in last lap, is offset imo by the time you lost racing on full tank.
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My fastest lap was on lap 7 (and also on lap 24), so I'm not sure that the added fuel (I took 72%) hurt that much. :)
GraemeH said:
It's just that, relative to everyones elses pit stops, it was a half pit. Everyone else still drove at the speed limit for another 10-15 seconds to clear the pit.
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Well that's a misconception or exaggeration.
The main advantage is the fuel fill up time.
I mean I still had to drive to the finish line at pit speed, and the finish line is almost at the exit of of the pit lane.
Like I said, judging by what the time difference was of other people's lap after their pit compared to an average lap, I only gained 4 to 5 seconds by not having to drive from the finish line to the exit of the pit (and getting up to speed).
 
I think the system is fine as it is now. Also remember that such last lap pits are rarely possible, due to tire wear, and certainly won't be beneficial for stronger cars. Also, it would be pretty hard to check who went into the pits in which lap, as lfsstat does not provide that data (this regarding setting a lap range when ou have to complete your pit).

But well, if there are more people willing to change to rule, I don't mind. :) Important thing is that we have a race that we all enjoy, so we need to set rules accordingly.
 
I was planning to pit in the last 5 laps since I had enough fuel and my tires weren't wearing too badly. Unfortunately I ran into a tire barrier courtesy of pdanev ;), so I had to pit early.
 
^ Really? When was that? Damn, I was especially watching those tires, and avoiding touching them as they roll out to the road. Sorry about that. :(
 
What an exciting race it was (for me at least) :D

Starting with sprint race, for which I forgot to change fuel settigns and left it at exactly 10% (GT consumes ~1%/lap). So I luckily run out of fuel some 100m after finish line :)

In long race I luckly avoided that big crash at the beginning, not sure what happened there, gotta watch replay. All I saw is GraemeH, Mischief and ESPNSTI colliding and some cars rolling :) I actually thought ESPNSTI pitted right after that because of damage, and was suprised how fast he gained positions, but apparently he went for his strategy again :lol:

About that me+pdanev+mgkdk collision... From my perspective it looked like this:
I screw up last corner a bit, pdanev uses my slipstream to catch me, and was about to overtake me on straight. I thought I'll just keep to left, and there's a big chance he will again brake late, goes wide and very sideways, and I overtake him from inside.
Then I notice mgkdk ahead, and I think ok, she probably has noticed blue flag and will brake earlier, so I'll fit between her and pdanev who still keeps to the right. But then pdanev starts moving left, so I have nowhere to go and suddently I'm right behind mgkdk, and then I see braking lights, and pdanev is sideways already before the corner and it all goes very wrong :) By the time I got out of grass Mischief overtook us both...


Oh yes, another one, when pdanev and me collided a little in the chicane. I actually thought you were slightly ahead, so I tried to back off, but apparently you did too, so we arrived to the chicane at the same time :)
 
^ I almost had the same thing with Mischief in the chicane, but the other way around. He was on the inside, I thought he was ahead so I backed off, and so did he, no crash there though, luckily. :)
 
Quite cood race I have to say. I had some problems with pedals, but they are working fine now.
I made 2 stupid mistakes and almost crashed...
In early lap's I somehow after T1 and before chicane get my back wheel dirty...and that causes spin in chicane.

Later on I almost run over GraemeH :oops: (edit: I was lap behind him) But I use my old trick - If there is chance that I crash into car in front, I turn left or right and run miself out of track. But, this time I can't turn left in T1, because I was already to much in right...so, brake -> "deem, do late" -> full lock on right and full throttle to cut corner and run out in other side before GraemeH.

I think I scare a sh*t out of you, and I'm sorry about that...but hitting someone in back sucks more :unsure:

P.S. Thanks for good setup :)

P.S.S. Can somebody upload replay?
 
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