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Do we really need yet another thread discussing Global friggin' Warming?
i think you can trust the beeb, but certainly not jeremy clarkson.Y'see, I would assume that an unqualified statement (such as the one made on TG) was accounting for all factors and was based on average figures. If they're cherry-picking the facts, and I hope that's not the case, that's not good.
Maybe I place too much trust in the Beeb.
Do we really need yet another thread discussing Global friggin' Warming?
I don't see a single sign that the planet is doomed. But they say it is.
Fair enough, I suppose... They point at the hurricanes and the floods and heat-waves... Tho I'm sure these things have been happening all along. Ooooh, but they're worse now than ever before! Fine, they're worse. So what? I don't care.
So OK, fine, the planet is warming. So what? That's happened before, too. So you say we have something to do with it? Again; So what? What if the planet warms because of our activities? What's the worst that could happen? Wait. We know already. That's all we ever hear. 'The worst that will happen'. Whatever the worst possible outcome is, that's what we're told to expect. What's likely to happen? Again; I don't even care. I doubt anything will happen. Historically that's been the case in these 'the end of the world' scenarios.
Just a few years ago 'the end was nigh'. We were told that everything made since the industrial revolution was going to reset to its default 'crush, kill, destroy' setting. Don't travel by air. Don't drive a car. Don't ride in a car. Don't fucking roll. Stand clear of your toaster coz it's gonna whip yo' ass when it becomes self-aware.
We're all going to have to live like cavemen. Death is imminent. Run for the fucking hills.
Stuff's gonna 'splode.
Then nothing happened at all.
People who speak of an impending Apocalypse are wrong 100% of the time.
clarkson likes to wind idiots up, thats what he does best.
hes nt particularly winding those up who think global warming is happening, hes winding up the nut jobs who think a 4x4 is the symbol of all capitalism and meat eating and evil. the hippies who'll sensationalise whats happenening, telling the world the polar ice cap is but a few shrivelled ice cubes bobbing in the sea.
the same people who'll resort to violence to get their point across and show how uneducated they are by dressing up 2 of germany's greenest cars as pigs in an effort to mark them out as the devil polluters of the world. in other words the people who have nothing better to do than have a knee jerk reaction to whatever spews out his mouth
and he loves it..... hes on the telly, 100s of millions of people are gonna hear what hes saying, he's doing the equivalent of pulling his kecks down an mooning at the greenies while hes saying it....knowing full well that its 99% a one way conversation and that theres nothing they can do about it because its already aired.
millions will have heard clarkson saying "up yours greenpeace" but only a handful of us will ever hear about a complaint about it, and even then we wont care much for whoever made the complaint.
its a one way conversation, he can say whatever he wants and theres not alot anyone can do about it.... you cant really undo television...and he likes that. i like that.
So it seems pointless for the show to uphold the view that global warming is a myth. If they're right then people who also hold that view can feel smug, rightfully so perhaps. If they're wrong, then a lot of people will be misinformed and the consequences are bad.
In other words - it could change from being "Top Gear" to "Top Global Warming Denial", a show for people who don't accept the idea... the viewing figures are probably going to be a lot smaller.
Either they're right or they're wrong. They're either stroking group A's ego or they're stroking group B's ego. They're either misinforming group A or they're misinforming group B. The point being, we just don't know.
I'm poor. And i'll go you one better: I don't just live alongside the environment; I live *in* it. And so far i've seen absolutely nothing of concern.The truth is though, that people that live directly alongside the environment - most often, the poorest - will tell you that things are bad and are getting worse.
The projected calculations and computer simulation models put together by crazed loons that are looking far too closely and holding on way, way too tight aren't worth the recycled paper they're illegibly scrawled on. I've listened to these people before and that's how I know not to listen to them anymore.Sure, the huge amounts of evidence gathered could all be wrong and everything coincidental, or it could be natural phenomena that would have happened regardless.
What if they held the belief that Global Warming is real? Would you still be calling for neutrality if then? Or should they only be neutral because they don't believe the popular consensus?I'm just saying that I don't get why they're not neutral on the view.
They didn't say it as an "absolute certainty"! But Ok, I'll make you a deal: I'll admit that Clarkson shouldn't be allowed to say anything that hasn't been proven to be true by 'expert scientists' when the water reaches my ankles.What I'm saying is that TG isn't qualified to say one or the other as an absolute certainty, as they did on the Polar Special.
I'm poor. And i'll go you one better: I don't just live alongside the environment; I live *in* it. And so far i've seen absolutely nothing of concern.
The projected calculations and computer simulation models put together by crazed loons that are looking far too closely and holding on way, way too tight aren't worth the recycled paper they're illegibly scrawled on. I've listened to these people before and that's how I know not to listen to them anymore.
What if they held the belief that Global Warming is real? Would you still be calling for neutrality if then? Or should they only be neutral because they don't believe the popular consensus?
So only people who are dirt poor are feeling the effects? I don't understand that at all. What does your socio-economic status have to do with anything? Are the people with non-HD televisions drowning in melted ice caps?Errmm, well, I was thinking of people a lot poorer than yourself - in global relative terms, owning a computer, a house and a Merc isn't poor... sorry if I was unclear on what I meant by poor.
It's not off topic at all. If the extreme fundamentalist anti-civilisation lunatics are left unchecked we could potentially end up with dicky little electric cars that give great mileage and shitty performance. They've already planned to ban the lightglobe in favour of these awful 'Energy Saver' lights that burn your eyes, make you look like shit, give off no light etc.... If the same sort of thing happened to The Car - to any degree - I'd be more than upset. Because, as I've said before; The Car has absolutely nothing at all to do with Global Warming.I would say exactly the same, and that's my entire point. It's a motoring show and not a lobbying show for/against Environmental concerns. They want to protest against road charging, totally fine. But this is way off topic, in either direction. For them to support Global Warming as a fact would be equally as weird.
It's not off topic at all. If the extreme fundamentalist anti-civilisation lunatics are left unchecked we could potentially end up with dicky little electric cars that give great mileage and shitty performance. They've already planned to ban the lightglobe in favour of these awful 'Energy Saver' lights that burn your eyes, make you look like shit, give off no light etc.... If the same sort of thing happened to The Car - to any degree - I'd be more than upset. Because, as I've said before; The Car has absolutely nothing at all to do with Global Warming.
"They" pick on the car to no end and it's Clarkson's job to go "neener, neener, neener! I've got a Range-Rover!" .
No. Not in my opinion. It's said that Global Warming could be a catastrophic disaster the likes of which we have never seen. It could end all life on this planet and plunge us into an ice age. It's in the news every day, and on the tip of everyones tongue. Everyone in every country knows about it regardless of race or religion or financial status. It's the biggest thing in the world right now. It would be odd not to mention it.is the show overstepping a bit.
No. Not in my opinion. It's said that Global Warming could be a catastrophic disaster the likes of which we have never seen. It could end all life on this planet and plunge us into an ice age. It's in the news every day, and on the tip of everyones tongue. Everyone in every country knows about it regardless of race or religion or financial status. It's the biggest thing in the world right now. It would be odd not to mention it.
You've also got to remember that Clarkson really doesn't like these people. They write him letters of complaint that he considers a waste of his time, they mention him by name at their protests, they even throw pies at him.
Apparently he received dozens of complaints when he drove a Land Rover up a hill because it damaged the moss and he was nearly sued because he injured a tree when he drove a Toyota Hilux into it.
He really can't stand these people and he'll never miss an opportunity to rile them up or piss them off. I'm sure this is half his motivation for making these remarks.