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My affordable dream car

My friend's dad had a white E30 M3. Gorgeous, mint condition, a cracked spoiler but that was easily replaceable. It was relatively stock and was well-looked after, and I wanted it. He said, "When you get old enough, I'll sell it to you."

A year later, he traded it in for a Toyota Tundra. I cried. :cry:

My neighbor has an E30 325xi, so that's gotta count for something. But then again, his family works for BMW and they get to drive different new BMWs every month. Stereotypical yuppies. :roll:
 
patrick10 said:
are you sure you can fit a v6 in a mr2? and if i was going for a good car in the twisties, i would choose a aw11(?) the 1st gen a lot lighter and supercharged. YAY :D
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About the V6, absolutely. I've met a couple of folks who've done it, one of whom has bolted a TRD supercharger onto his V6. The naturally aspirated MR2 has the same engine and transmission as a 4-cyl Camry, and the Camry V6 is almost a drop-in, relative to most engine swaps.
http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/V6FAQ.html

As for the AW11: <puts on that same grimmace that Clarkson gets when he knows he's lost an argument but still refuses to concede the point> Though if I want to nit-pick, the supercharged version apparently has worse balance than the naturally aspirated version, so it'd be at least more of a handful through the twisties. Some gearheads have swapped in the SW20 Turbo motor into their AW11s, and those are quite sweet.

Thus endeth my MR2 anorak time.
 
BlaRo said:
My neighbor has an E30 325xi, so that's gotta count for something. But then again, his family works for BMW and they get to drive different new BMWs every month. Stereotypical yuppies. :roll:
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Thats the most unyuppie like car ever... Come on, E30??? Those can be had for about 1000 Euros...

Buba
 
Buba said:
BlaRo said:
My neighbor has an E30 325xi, so that's gotta count for something. But then again, his family works for BMW and they get to drive different new BMWs every month. Stereotypical yuppies. :roll:
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Thats the most unyuppie like car ever... Come on, E30??? Those can be had for about 1000 Euros...

Buba
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You should see the new BMWs they use that are provided by the company. Right now, looking out my window, they've got an X3, a new 3-Series, and a new 5-Series. They get a new one every month...
 
Labcoatguy said:
About the V6, absolutely. I've met a couple of folks who've done it, one of whom has bolted a TRD supercharger onto his V6. The naturally aspirated MR2 has the same engine and transmission as a 4-cyl Camry, and the Camry V6 is almost a drop-in, relative to most engine swaps.
http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/V6FAQ.html

As for the AW11: <puts on that same grimmace that Clarkson gets when he knows he's lost an argument but still refuses to concede the point> Though if I want to nit-pick, the supercharged version apparently has worse balance than the naturally aspirated version, so it'd be at least more of a handful through the twisties. Some gearheads have swapped in the SW20 Turbo motor into their AW11s, and those are quite sweet.

Thus endeth my MR2 anorak time.
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that v6 mr2 is amazing :shock: but the 3sgte is a heavy engine so i would never swap it in a aw11. people that do the swaps just want to go fast, they dont want to corner which the aw11 is all about.
 
Buba said:
BlaRo said:
My neighbor has an E30 325xi, so that's gotta count for something. But then again, his family works for BMW and they get to drive different new BMWs every month. Stereotypical yuppies. :roll:
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Thats the most unyuppie like car ever... Come on, E30??? Those can be had for about 1000 Euros...

Buba
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Yeah maybe now it it is an unyuppie car but when they were new, E30s were in fact the quintessential yuppie car
 
patrick10 said:
Labcoatguy said:
About the V6, absolutely. I've met a couple of folks who've done it, one of whom has bolted a TRD supercharger onto his V6. The naturally aspirated MR2 has the same engine and transmission as a 4-cyl Camry, and the Camry V6 is almost a drop-in, relative to most engine swaps.
http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/V6FAQ.html

As for the AW11: <puts on that same grimmace that Clarkson gets when he knows he's lost an argument but still refuses to concede the point> Though if I want to nit-pick, the supercharged version apparently has worse balance than the naturally aspirated version, so it'd be at least more of a handful through the twisties. Some gearheads have swapped in the SW20 Turbo motor into their AW11s, and those are quite sweet.

Thus endeth my MR2 anorak time.
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that v6 mr2 is amazing :shock: but the 3sgte is a heavy engine so i would never swap it in a aw11. people that do the swaps just want to go fast, they dont want to corner which the aw11 is all about.
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Check this - www.v8mr2.com - guy's putting a 4.6l Northstar V8 in an AW11... You're absolutely spot on though - the AW11 is all about corning and being a big go-kart. My car isn't quick in a straight line (it's the N/A version), but around corners with the motor buzzing away at 7000+rpm - it's sweeeeet.
 
Dr. Woo said:
I love that car...
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Yeah they were as close to perfection as BMW ever got.
Check these out

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*goes off to change his underwear*
That white one brings back memories. :drool:
 
Well... hmmm...

I am the guy that is building two MK1 MR2s. One with the Northstar V8 as linked to above. The other with a 8.2 liter cadillac motor.
I also own a 3sgte (2nd gen turbo MR2 engine) pumping out close to 350hp.

Now I know for a fact that the MK1.5 MR2 (2nd gen turbo engined AW11 MR2) will absolutely KILL any, and I mean ANY MR2 on a road course. It will obliterate a MK2 turbo car on a road coarse as well. Only Brad Bidells 2ZZ powered MR2 Spyder came close to beating the MK1.5s.

How do I know this? I put on the National Toyota MR2 / Celica All-Trac / Lotus Elise meet at Heartland Park Topika last summer. On the autoX course the FTDs were being killed by the two MK1.5s and Brads 2ZZ spyder. The Lotus Elises were a distant 4th and the MK2 MR2s were wayyyyy back. Though Randy Chase would have probably been up there if he had attended with his Elise or MR2.

On the road course the MK1.5s again dominated. With the MK1.5 hitting close to 130mph on the front straight they had to slow for the turn 0, as they were getting air born on the extremely dangerous corner.

The Northstar V8 is a specialized car. This car will be going for 200mph in the standing Mile at the ECTA races next year.
The 8.2L V8 MR2 is just going to be a show car and panty dropper.

But my MK1.5 purple MR2 is my baby. That is the street legal, 160+mph, 0-60 in under 4.5 seconds, blow your doors off in the corners car.
The AW11 is my car. The only car that I feel comes close to that car in fun and handling is my 1998 BMW 318ti M-Sport. I love that car, though it could use a bit more power... but then power is not always needed to have fun.
 
wanna see a video of Deno Plumley catching a Z06 Corvette? What is so special about Denos MR2? Well it is the worlds first MK1.5 complete. The original. 350+hp. 3sgte. 1988 ex-SC AW11. Deno won the autoX and also pulled in FTD at the track day. never drove on the Heartland park track until this day. The Corvette driver was a local and was running the Vette on slicks.
I am the dork holding the Flag at the beginning of the video directing the drivers out.

http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/video/NA2005-DENO.wmv

Building a MK1.5 is fairly simple. The majority of MK1.5s are located on the east coast of the USA and a bunch more in England. The best websites for the MK1.5 is the http://www.MR2oc.com and http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/
Virginia has the most MK1.5s. I have 2. Deno has one, and I believe there are at least one more. There are a total of 25 that have been built world-wide. The registry is on the MK1.5 forum on the MR2OC.
Want a street car that will make v8s cry? Look no further. How much? A good 250hp model can be bult with a good chassis for under $8000. But look closer to $10,000 for the real rockets.
 
for 10,000 why couldnt you take the sc 1.6 to 350 hp? wouldnt it be lighter bc isnt
the 3sgte iron block? i could be wrong but i do know that its not a light engine.

but in all honesty, i would rather have something front engined and light and rwd. but im not a hard core auto-x guy, i prefer gracefully sliding through corners
 
fotunately sliding is not the fast way. Looks good on TV, only it is laughed at by the truely fast. spent about $8,000 in 1984 getting the oversteer out of my Corolla GTS. Only then was it a fast car.

The 4agze SC will never exceed 190hp at the crank (and that is using the bigger SC14 supercharger from the van.) If anyone tells you they are then they have no clue what they are talking about. Turbocharging the 4agze can net you 300 to 350hp. But HP is just a number and good for top speed. Real power is torque, as anyone with a V8 will show you. The 2 liter will make gobs more torque than the 1.6. Yes the 1.6 4ag(z)e is light, it is a high nickel content iron block just as the 3sgte is. The 3S block does have more material. The 3S block is good for power up to and sometimes exceeding 800hp. Some in Japan are exceeding 900hp. The 4ag(z)e is peaking at around 350hp. Any more and the block starts distorting and doing all kinds of nasty things to cranks. The 4age is designed to take upwards of 275hp in N/A form. Some rumors have the engine getting closer to 285 or so in N/A form. Though this level of power is mounted in a lightweight chassis (Formula Atlantic) and has only a very small power band.

Weight is a big issue. But sometimes weight is your friend. People poo-poo'ed the MK1.5 before Deno finished his saying that the car would "snap over steer" (which in real life means that you don't know how to drive a car if this over steering situation happens to you), well when his car made it's debut it not only did not spin out of control on every corner, it ate them bad boys up and spit them out the tail pipe. Now it did take alot of testing and proper suspension setup to make the car work (one reason why my V8 MR2 is not yet done, the front suspension is gettingt a whole new redesign) properly. Being mid-engine makes a world of difference on how the car hooks up. One of the reasons why the MR2 is hard to take kiddy drifting. It just plain hooks up with the weigh transfer.
 
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