Nissan GT-R V-Spec heading for Germany......Pricing announced, Nissan lost mind

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Wow... that's a bloody expensive Nissan.

Yeah... given that money, I wouldn't buy a Nissan. I don't know what I'd buy. Maybe I'd just hold onto the money and test drive all the cars I could buy with it and never actually buy one. Just... have the money too. That way I wouldn't have to many any hard decisions, haha.
Yep, this is the ideal solution:

http://www.exoticsracing.com/Vip-Package/vip-package-driving-experience_7.htm

Drive up to 4 exotic supercars for less than $3K on a proper racetrack and flat out? And yet never have to deal with the daily headache, maintenance, insurance or best of all, the cost of buying the actual cars?

Probably the smartest choice for non rich people.
 

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Most rich people actually have their supercars hired like that. Its actually the most intelligent decision financially, and they certainly didn't get rich by spending gobs of money in the first place. This is esp. true now that supercars and such are mass produces and have lost most of their collect-ability with the exception of the limited edition ones that are made to be collectible (which is why cars like the F40, 50, 60, Reventon, etc will never reach the values of the GTO and similar). Also, the majority of millionaires shop at wal-mart or similar.
 

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I'm a huge nissan gtr fan but i can not see the value in this spec-v model.

I read an article written by Dino Dalle Carbonare about the spec-v when it was released in japan. I know it's a big bump but i thought i would copy some of the more interesting details from the article in this thread.

This is the japanese version, however the pricing seems to be in line with the rest of the world. Just a note that these are japanese prices but the yen has been converted to australian dollars. You can halve all the prices to get approximate euro pricing.

First up the japanese spec-v is priced at AUD $234,785 which is about AUD $100k more than the base model.
Now some of the individual parts cost if you need replacement parts....

The spec-v badge is over AUD $2000 !
The full titanium exhaust system (larger than standard yet 5kg lighter) comes in at AUD $28,128
Leather-clad carbon-fibre reclinable bucket seats are AUD $28,128 (you can also buy these from nismo for other nissan models but they don't have the embossed gtr logo)
The turbos (which appear to be different to the base model) are AUD $14,899 each!
A set of replacement pads for the carbon-ceramic brakes cost AUD $29,797
To replace the carbon-ceramic discs cost around $38,000

Now some details on the difference from the base model...

New aero package made from carbon fibre (brake cooling ducts, rear diffuser, etc...)
60kg weight drop down to 1680kg
New forged wheels from Rays Engineering (each wheel is 1.6kg lighter)
Brembo carbon-ceramic brakes
Electric seats replaced with reclinable carbon-fibre bucket seats from recaro. (6kg lighter each)
Rear seats removed
Carbon fibre sub-woofer encloser
Manually operated over-boost function
Some small bits of carbon fibre interior trim
Retuned Bilstein suspension now with only one setting... R-mode (base model has 3 settings, comfort/normal/R)

Now to paraphrase from the article (written by Dino Dalle Carbonare who test drove the spec-v) ...

Attempts to save weight are admirable but do not go far enough. Sure the back seats are removed but it still comes with the full surround sound system and sat-nav etc. The individual changes do make for an overall improvement however the differences over the base model are too mild given the overall cost. The article rounds up by saying that for a track-focused model it is still too civilised.

So everyone seems to agree that it is not worth the extra money.
There is a guy who lives local to me who imported one of the first r35 gtr's from japan. He has recently modified it rather extensively (suspension, turbos, engine management, transmission, etc) and has made much more improvements for a lot less money.

I can post the details of this relatively heavily modified base model gtr if anybody is interested?
 

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First up the japanese spec-v is priced at AUD $234,785 which is about AUD $100k more than the base model.
Now some of the individual parts cost if you need replacement parts....

The spec-v badge is over AUD $2000 !
The full titanium exhaust system (larger than standard yet 5kg lighter) comes in at AUD $28,128
Leather-clad carbon-fibre reclinable bucket seats are AUD $28,128 (you can also buy these from nismo for other nissan models but they don't have the embossed gtr logo)
The turbos (which appear to be different to the base model) are AUD $14,899 each!
A set of replacement pads for the carbon-ceramic brakes cost AUD $29,797
To replace the carbon-ceramic discs cost around $38,000
:blink:

I can post the details of this relatively heavily modified base model gtr if anybody is interested?
Yes please.
 

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is that close to thirthy thousand dollars for brake pads???

damn :shock:
 

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^ Yep it sure is, and nearly $70k to replace the pads and disks. They are carbon-ceramic but still...

Another one for you. The special oil for the transaxle costs around AUD $100/litre and there is 10 litres of oil in the thing. Makes for an expensive oil change. The engine itself holds around 8 litres of oil of my memory is correct.

There is a company here in South Australia that makes their own oil that is proven to out-perform the nissan oil and is cheaper. They also sell a transmission oil-cooler kit and upgraded seals (apparently the standard ones leak when the trans has been overheated too much).

They also sell larger turbos, stronger clutch packs and other bits and pieces to upgrade the R35 GTR. There is also another South Australian company that makes an upgraded first gear which has proven not to break no matter how many times the launch control is used.

There is a GTR in the states that has run a 10.48 1/4 mile on 93 octane pump fuel and a few bolt on modifications.

A few have already been modified to make 700-800hp and there are some being built now to make 1000+ hp.
 

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Yes and no. It depends what parts.
What it looks like they have done is made any part that is unique to the spec-v ridiculously expensive, most likely to stop people from buying a standard GTR and then putting the spec-v parts on it.

Carbon-ceramic brakes are still relatively rare and expensive for any car, but $2000 for the badge is just silly.
I like these cars and i'm kinda pissed that i won't be able to afford one for years. When there are lot's of second hand ones available and the aftermarket has more support for them at cheaper prices it will be ok.

When nissan made their supercar they sure got one thing right... supercar cost of maintenance.
 

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It's not right.... but it is true. :p

The brakes supposedly last up to 200,000km.
The pads are bespoke with some sort of electronic sensors built into the pad. (heat or wear i guess)
Claims are for over 2g's under hard stopping.
Claims are also that this brake setup is the best available on a production car and have superior friction and heat dissipation over even the ferrari fxx.
Whether any of this makes them worth more than double any other production carbon-ceramic brake setup is debatable.
Also looks like the same calipers as the base model.

I must say looking at the photos there is some fine hand-made craftsmanship in some of the parts... but still...

















 

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I just don't understand why any German would want this car. The standard car is cheaper than the 911 Turbo and about as fast as one, but the Spec-V costs a huge amount of money for...

I'm just not inspired by it. Sure, it has a bunch of little improvements. Do they really add up to twice the cost? How can you justify this cost for a Nissan, when there are fantastic supercars that cost the same.
 
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