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Ownership Verified: NooDle’s EV take 2 : The Mullet (Kia EV6)

True, although in most cases that preference is not because of the auto centering nagging me about hands, but because I'd rather put as much distance between me and other traffic if at all possible... Bunch of incompetent idiots.
 
Unlike a lot of other driver aids I actually don't hate auto steer. It works well in the Passat as long as it can see the lane markings. I've learned to use it and drive with it, and to rely on it to steer for me while i*m cleaning my sunglasses etc. I'm also so used to it now that it almost never nags me to "take over steering" like it used to quite a lot back when I first got the car. Apparently my brain learned to work around it.

But when it can't see the markings (so from about December to April in Finland) it doesn't have a clue and goes haywire whenever the markings appear briefly, so I'm very happy that my driver aids stay off until I manually tell them to come back on again. And that there's a shortcut button on the wiper stalk, designed to be used while driving. Unlike more modern cars that block you from accessing the settings while the car is rolling, because they put it in the touchscreen and that's too dangerous.
 
Adunaphel said:
Not every modern car is a bloody Tesla.
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While this is true, when you can buy that technology at a reasonable price what excuse do other manufacturers have for their system being worse?
 
Adunaphel said:
Not every modern car is a bloody Tesla.
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I wasn't talking about Tesla, I had the VW ID series in mind.

Renault/Dacia does it well. You can save your preferred driver aid settings into a profile which is activated via a physical button, which helpfully is lit up until you press it.
 
It seems it's not only Kia who have... err... struggles with their parts availability and servicing.

Friend of mine has an Ioniq6 with a squeaky drivers seat. After going to the dealers four times until they admitted there was an issue at all, they ordered a new seat rack / frame whatever thing, which took a whopping three months. they then took the seat out, tried putting the new seat rack in, only to discover it had a defect and they'd have to order another one. in the process of taking the seat out, they also destroyed the seat belt pretensioner... so they also have to order that... they say it's going to be 4 weeks (then why was the first part 3 months, i ask). and no, the car obviously is not drivable. morons.
 
Yeah I've unfortunately heard similar things from Hyundai (who are not prepared for business/lease customers it seems).
I'm actually OK with my current service center, they usually announce how long things will take and give me a temporary car if/when needed.

We'll see if/what my car needs (a simple software update or a complete removal of the entire brain/charging system/dashboard) in a couple of weeks time when I take it in for its yearly service + recall.

In another annoying note, the "new/updated" Kia EV6 has a new type of infotainment system (same as in the Kia EV9 apparently), which means that aside from map updates, they are going to pretty much discontinue software updates I hear, and focus on the "new" system for OTA updates.... For a car that's not even 3 years old that's pretty dissapointing....
 
I hope this is just growing pains of a slow moving industry (still) trying to figure out how to do IT. It was a lot easier back when you had a 1-DIN slot to put a radio in.
 
NooDle said:
In another annoying note, the "new/updated" Kia EV6 has a new type of infotainment system (same as in the Kia EV9 apparently), which means that aside from map updates, they are going to pretty much discontinue software updates I hear, and focus on the "new" system for OTA updates.... For a car that's not even 3 years old that's pretty dissapointing....
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This is going to be a major major problem if cars are going to always need a network connection of some variance. You want auto manufacturers to become software companies and support ever changing security leaks? Come on…. I suspect in a few years cars before the always on connections will increase in price or maybe a bit longer into the future when these cars are bought by second or third owners. I really think cars should not be always online like this, unless we want monthly subscriptions to fund the support network needed.
 
93Flareside said:
I really think cars should not be always online like this, unless we want monthly subscriptions to fund the support network needed.
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On the other hand, would you want to keep taking your car into the dealer for minor software updates? I know I wouldn't!
 
Matt2000 said:
On the other hand, would you want to keep taking your car into the dealer for minor software updates? I know I wouldn't!
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No, just a wifi dongle on the car that is user replaceable as technology changes. Mom‘s 2017 Kia Sorento has a wifi module and since American subdivision house, has an attached garage so the router isnt far away, they can do software updates at home….
 
93Flareside said:
No, just a wifi dongle on the car that is user replaceable as technology changes.
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at this point, I'm convinced wifi4 aka 802.11n is never going away ever again. that shit from 2009 is used by every single cheapo wifi device nowadays.

also: what you suggest, while sounding nice and simple, doesn't actually work that easily. who says there will be such a dongle down the line to replace? what interface does it use? is that interface more future proof than wifi4 is? will it work out of the box and why would it? drivers change... making the hardware user replaceable doesn't actually change anything about the underlying software support problem.
 
Yes it's still an internet connection, so there's still a service providing the updates. That's where the infrastructure is still required and where you would be charged for a subscription.
 
Okay maybe I wasn’t clear : the car still has a built in sim card and will still get OTA map updates (automatically and for free), but other new features will not be pushed to my car anymore because it has the ‘old’ infotainment system.

And also : there is no subscription, there was 1 paid for software update (which I dont get) that actually had some use (ie automatic battery heating to improve charging speed in winter).

With regards to the whole privacy thing and ‘oh no big bad corporation knows everything I’m doing’ : it’s kind of too late for that already since I own and use a smartphone, may as well benefit from some nice features
 
eizbaer said:
at this point, I'm convinced wifi4 aka 802.11n is never going away ever again. that shit from 2009 is used by every single cheapo wifi device nowadays.

also: what you suggest, while sounding nice and simple, doesn't actually work that easily. who says there will be such a dongle down the line to replace? what interface does it use? is that interface more future proof than wifi4 is? will it work out of the box and why would it? drivers change... making the hardware user replaceable doesn't actually change anything about the underlying software support problem.
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2G was shut down and made a lot of older systems obsolete. You can‘t for example use early GM OnStar systems anymore.
 
93Flareside said:
2G was shut down and made a lot of older systems obsolete. You can‘t for example use early GM OnStar systems anymore.
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sorry, I don't see the connection to anything in my quoted post... :|

anyway, what you state may be true, but that's simply only a very small part of the actual problem. it's just a convenient excuse for GM to ditch their junk ass system without getting blamed for not supporting it further... which they probably didn't really do, in the first place.

let's assume that they'd put the modem on a USB stick or whatever. yes, the USB part of it will be supported further down the line, but why would GM decide to make their system even accept a new 4G stick? actually, reading up on wikipedia, GM actually did offer upgrades during the switch from analog to digital (at 200$) for a very select few model years. anything older? nope! with the 2G/3G shutdown they simply offered some after market OBD dongle to mimic some of the remote features... so yeah, they're actually trying to do something like you suggest, but also very clearly showing that long-term support of the system doesn't really seem in their interest, despite the frankly ludicrous subscription prices cited on wikipedia.

if GM decides to no longer support the system (to clarify: with software updates), I'd argue it's actually better that the system cannot connect anywhere anymore. car manufacturers have a pretty terrible track record with software security and continuous updates, as it is. if they don't provide those, the devices should not be going online anyway (also, as argued before, where would they even connect to? the servers have to be run by somebody).
 
Charging system update done (no disassembly needed)
Also yearly service done

I must say despite me having to visit the dealer far more often than I did with other brands, the hassle has been minimal and the dealer itself always made all the arrangements perfectly (like loaner car, getting a text when they’re done etc)
 
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