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Peak-oil explained (Dutch) **Update: English version too **

Jostyrostelli

Jostyrostelli

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So what do you people think?

This site is explaining what is happening right now and how it probably will be in the future. Will people be stupid enough to use all the oil till the last drop, or are we going to change to alternatives soon?
 
as long as it doesnt run out in my life time i dont care, they always go"omfg we running out" then radomly the "find" more.

i was lookin a oldish text book, it estimated that we;re out in 2000 lol.

why bother worrying?
 
I think using oil for generating electricity is a waste... although there are risks in Nuclear power, it is IMO the best way to go, it would be cheaper, no pollution......
 
^^^ i'd say bother worrying because crude oil is not only used for car petrol. :)

josty/kip can you guys give a bit more explanation of the conten of that site cos i dont get a word from it :?
 
Yes Pdanev is right, if oil will be gone it will be quite a disaster.

No car, how do you make roads now? How will airplanes fly now? Or boats? How will we get our food? Electricity is 'made' with oil too. Do you still want coffee in the morning? Or how about your tv? Do you go to work in a suit? Prolly 25% of that suit is made out of oil (plastic buttons, wool and polyester) Oh same with your underwear. Do you wear glasses? Your lenses are most likely made out of polycarbonate and the frame is from plastic. Your creditcard is plastic, your shoesoles (polyethylene rubber), the plastic layer on your drivers license, and what about INK? Don't forget the ink on money.

So jason, without money you would be broke and nekkid now Still don't care a rats ass?

To make your Dad's car there was 8000liter of oil used. Your whole car is made out of oil, all plastics etc.

Of course your doors would fall out of the frame because you lost the metal brackets (produced with oil), doorknob has gone, oh and notice how cold it is?
So where are the tv, microwave, radio, washingmachine, lights, coffeemachine, fridge and your computer? Also your house is flooding because lots of pipes are made out of PVC (its polyvinylchloride, dunno if its english too, but its made 100% out of oil). But it doesn't matter you won't have a carpet to get wet either, the fibers are all oilproducts. Let's go to bed, oh no! your bed is gone too!

Well, then you gotta eat, right? Shoot, no food, food is produced with pesticides (oilproduct again) and the packages are...I guess you get the point. If they were made, they couldn't be brought to the stores because cars can't run on water (yet).


Okey this is a bit exagerated but it's true, we depend on oil. Our lives wouldn't be what it's like now if there wasn't oil.

Oh Pdanev, read the above, something like that. It's a big site, still have to read it.
 
Heheh, Asterix. :D Can you tell us non-Hollandi what that article says, Josty?

While everyone is worried about not being able to run their car in 2040, I'm more worried about how we're going to make plastics in the future.
 
^We're not gonna produce plastics. We can't it's an extract from oil as you know..so life will collapse I think. Computers from wood? Or metal, do you see it? Ipods, how?

Only way is to recycle everything we have now. But that's not really good enough.

Well it's a very long site, I'm still reading it with bits and peaces, it has loads of articles from people who believe to not worry and people who are very concerned about the fufure.

Maybe a translator? Dunno if the gramar will be good though..prolly not.
 
josty dont be so harsh, jason doesnt care, no big deal for him. he'll take a small wooden boat from hk, row with it to the closest jungle where he will start planting fruits and vegtables, run around naked and use wood to make fire so his instrument wont look small from the cold when some jungle tribe women come for a visit :D
 
^ nah, don't worry you guys, the world hasn't come to that yet.
And even if it does in the next 40 years, by the time I get out of university I'm going to found my own hydrogen fuel-cell producing company ... in the hope of revolutionizing the world and averting a fate as the one described above (and maybe to get rich very fast also).
There is talk of heavy research into a regenarating hydrogen fuel cell (the one that runs on fuel that i produces itself.) Generally, a hydrogen fuel cell would take oxygen (from the atmosphere) and hydrogen (acquired elsewhere) and by combining the two and turning them into water it creates electrivity.
water comes out --> no pollution problems (not even danger of radiation from nuclear waste done by nuclear technologies). However, if you put it into a system that splits the water coming out of the fuelcell into oxygen and hydrogen, you have another bit of fuel to power up the fuelcell again. And it cycles over and over again.

Now, the only problem with this is that the splitting part of the system that turns H2O into oxygen and hydrogen is not yet as efficient as a population of consumers would like it to be. That' because it's harder to split the two than to put them together and soo it takes a lot more time, and the population wants electricity now, not later, because this would emply that it's a self- charging battery. you use up the energy and then you have to wait quite a long timefor it to charge itself up before you can use any electrical energy at all.

It's all very complicated, but there is heavy research going into this, and I think I'm going to do some of my own ... don't want that whole thing to be pattented before I can chip in on the profits. Well, it's all very complex for a soon to be high-school graduate, and even beyond university chemistry as I hear it ... but I'm still going to try something.

What I'm primarily trying to do is make the application of hydrogen fuel cells a plausible application on the market, because until now it's just not going to cut it for the economy.

So if everything works fine for me, you guys won't have to worry about that.
 
Interesting to hear you are actually working with Fuel cells.

Do you study Chemical Engineering or what?

I think that if the governments of all countries really wanted to have a fuel cell that is alot better than a petrol engine, they would/should spend alot more money. I don't know how that it's right now, if chemists are waiting for the next payment to do more research , but my feeling says that it could already be there. Maybe people are afraid of what's gonna happen if oil runs out and don't want to think about it now.

How close are you to making/designing an actuall fuel cell? Are you still in school? Working at a lab?
 
well, that's just big dreams, right now I'm only a high school student, alomst graduated, and next year I'm heading off to university, I can't say I'm working on a hydrogen fuel cell yet, but I did a lot of research into the topic and read quite a few scientifical journals of university proffessors that have done research into it. I'm almost fuel-cell literate, although I can't understand most of the terms in the jurnals, I do have an acquaintance that is a chemistry professor in university and he helped me understand some of the stuff. So I'm hoping by september when I get to uni I'm going to also study a lot into chemistry along with ym commerce program and maybe get to know some of the best professors in canada a bit better ... maybe even work with them n this research. CAN'T wait.
 
u know there are nartural sources for plastics........ latex from trees, shaellac from insects and another one i for got.
 
^So why are those not used then? The ammount of plastics that is produced now can never be taken from natural sources. If that would be the case they would already have changed to that.

But I understand if you just made a factory where you can get oil out of the ground easy you're not gonna throw your factory away and try using other stuff which costs money too.
 
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