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Privacy Compromized: RFID

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I JUST now saw an ibm advert advertisint RFID tags on stuff. This means a COMPLETE compromiseon our privacy! Think about it, if this goes mainstream it meand people will know what where when u buy stuff, where you take it, and even follow it all the way to the trash! Think of radio nerds like me being able to know when you bought those condoms and where you took them. Then proceed to tell ur GF fer a substantial fee. Same situation, but fill in the Government and yadda yadda yadda! Me and other select groups are workin to thwat the radio tags and developing devices to cancel them. Trying to get this stuff put BEFORE they're introduced in the everyday products we buy.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/smart-label.htm
^how it works

http://www.stanford.edu/~hsurden/RFID_Privacy_Law.htm
^ scroll down to section C about privacy
 
As long as they use it in grocery stores only, I don't really mind. (I do, but there isn't any escape from your privacy being taken away by new technologies). I don't really care if my frozen pizza or bottle of mineral water is tracked. (Yet again, I do, but...)
 
put ur cousin on the stake!!! BURN HIM!!!! :evil:



btw im kidding
 
it wasn't used for the invasion of privacy mind you... it is used so that it is easier to track the stock of items. Say if you have a shelf of small cans stacked up as high as they are in cosco in the states, if a person wants to find out how many there are in the rack, he just points a RF gun at the rack and it will detect the number of items there are in the rack. The same goes to tracking it in a box, it makes life much easier
 
^ What he says. It has been developed to make logistical operations easier, but as with most innovations these days, it can be misused by 3rd parties.
 
pdanev said:
^ What he says. It has been developed to make logistical operations easier, but as with most innovations these days, it can be misused by 3rd parties.
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The problem is itcan and almost certainly WILL be used to invade privacy. just knowing that at any given point in time somebody, including the governtment who im sure will utilize this flaw. Im hoping theres slegislation against privately tracking RFID tags because it could be a huge physical form of spyware, companies watching everything you eat rink and what not and trying to send you special deals etc.lots of us have been dreading this for ages :(
 
^ Well, I don't wont to ruin things for you, but:
watching everything you eat rink and what not and trying to send you special deals etc
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is already reallity. Think about discount cards and stuff. Most of these cards are obtained when you fill out an aplication with your personal data etc. You go and do your shopping, and since you want to save a few dollars, you give your discount cards at the end of the shopping to the cashier. No need to explain what happens further on...

But this isn't even a secret. Most of these discount cards tell you that with this besides getting discoint at the shop, you will receive notices, and promotional letters customised to you. Same thing with gmail. It's aimed at advertising stuff for you, what you[ i/] might be interested in.

No need to panic, if some 3rd partry really wants to find out what you have consumed, it's not big deal. Every time you make a bigger purchase, and you data is digitally entered into a system, you can be tracked down. Just filling out papers for warranty and basic stuff like this already gets your name onto some company server, which for an intermidiate hacker is not a problem to crack. Same goes for insurance, travel tickets and pretty much everything! Paying with credit/debit card, buying stuff online also gives the same result.

If you want to escape the RFID stuff, you can always do your shoping at some small local store, rather than going into some big supermarket chain.

Face the (to quite some extent sad) reallity. You can't escape this stuff, even if you wanted to.
 
Walmart has said their RFID cards will be disabled as soon as the purchased item has left the parking lot. I guess if you really want to make sure just destroy it before you leave.

I have also heard this technology could lead to check out lines going the way of the dinosaur. You create an account with the store, this account will include your bank account info. Meaning all you will have to do is go shopping and leave. The tags would be scanned as you are walking through the door and charged to your account.
 
Vipergts662 said:
Walmart has said their RFID cards will be disabled as soon as the purchased item has left the parking lot. I guess if you really want to make sure just destroy it before you leave.

I have also heard this technology could lead to check out lines going the way of the dinosaur. You create an account with the store, this account will include your bank account info. Meaning all you will have to do is go shopping and leave. The tags would be scanned as you are walking through the door and charged to your account.
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Definitely, there is a ton more positive aspects of RFID than negatives. Like pdanev said, if someone wants the information they can get it currently. Sure RFID will make it easier but then again, I don't really mind the occaisional mailing from a store I shop at, that's what they make trash cans for (and junkmail filters). I would love to be able to go to my local grocery store and walk out with what I purchased, having it immediately deducted from my credit accounts, instead of having to stand behind someone who is incompetent at writing a check, or arguing about the price of a loaf of bread.

Another great use of RFID is to be able to detect when some type of anomaly happens with a shipment. I ship (and receive) with UPS and Fedex quite a lot, and I have had on few occasions a package be misrouted, as a result of problems with the barcodes. An RFID Tag would solve that.

RFID can be abused, but it will help you as a consumer more than hurt. If you are worried, just put everything you buy into a microwave for a minute or two to zap the RFID chip (or wrap it with copper mesh, to prevent it from communicating with a receiver), but it's not going to take away any more privacy than loyalty cards and junk mail.
 
pdanev said:
As long as they use it in grocery stores only, I don't really mind. (I do, but there isn't any escape from your privacy being taken away by new technologies). I don't really care if my frozen pizza or bottle of mineral water is tracked. (Yet again, I do, but...)
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RFID is going on clothes and electronics, passports(2007 for the US passport), credit cards(already), jewelry, tires(already), damn near everything.

It's already been proven that you can read RFID at a distance longer than originally intended, so what's to stop a thief from cruising parking lots or neighborhoods and "wardriving" for good items? Xbox 360 in the trunk? yoink! Or how about I read your wallet while I casually walk behind you on the sidewalk?
 
Exactly my point. Im an avid reader of 2600 Magazine and they've had a few articles on the subject. im for the convenience so long as i can keep myself protected somehow. I've found developments that can keep RFIDs deactivated once youve bought them and i'm reading up on a radiowave blocking lining for credit cars and other things. So I'm a little more for this RFID revolution.
 
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