prizrak
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You know what else I can buy for the $52,150 Mercedes wants for a base E-class powered byfour guinea pigs in a treadmillthat 241hp/273tq I4?
I can buy a slightly older E-class design with a 363 horsepower V8 and still have thousands left over:
I was happy to see the end of the W211; I was not happy to see the end of the I6 Merc diesels. I'm not a huge fan of diesel engines in cars - especially cars of this class - but if you absolutely have to have one you should at least be able to get one that's done right. As of right now, your new diesel car options in the US are either "no" or, well, this - AKA "crappy."
Are you implying the best diesel car in the U.S right now is made by GM? Okay, I know that isn't saying much but...
Sure, but if there is enough market for it in the US, I'm sure it could be modified to work there. A diesel and 4 cylinder can be a good thing, that was my point.
Can you tell us which parts on that are directly from an E-class?
Are you implying the best diesel car in the U.S right now is made by GM? Okay, I know that isn't saying much but...
Ive always heard it was more LH than E-class save for stuff like a steering column, rear suspension, etc.
The platform was close to completion before Daimler was like engineer in some E-Class shit or it's killed, IIRC.
And before making strong statements about diesels, please come to here and drive the good ones. Current OM654 is fantastic unit: yeah it only has 4 cylinders, but in E 220d spec it produces 194 hp and 400 Nm. It's enough to take the largeish car from 0?62 mph in 7,3 seconds and top speed is relatively decent 240 km/h. It's miles more refined than it's 2,1 liter predecessor was, and it on longer commutes less than 4,5 l/100km is possible (52 US mpg). It's obviously not as nice as six cylinder diesels, but its sibling, OM656 is coming this year, and it's the return to straight six format.
While I love good big petrol engines, diesels in that class just make sense. Fuel tanks are shrinking to 50 liters in many cars (I think MB still offers 70, but I'm not sure) and modern turbocharged petrol engines are not that efficient, so reasonable ranges are somewhere between 500?800 kms. In a similar diesel you get easily 1300 kms.
Oh, and before somebody brings up the dirty diesel: actually at least the M654 has fared pretty well in real world tests. But obviously it must be crap, because it has zero spark plugs in its four cylinders.
Edit: km/h, mph, whatever :lol:
A diesel in a 50K luxury barge? You smoking something.
Also TIL you can fully remove rear seats in the X, it has a little tab after you lift them to pop em right out.
Remove as in "remove remove" or just flip the seat bases forward?
Flip em forward, pull red tab, take it out he car.
Interesting! I just remembered that the XJ rear seat cushion is also fully removable for additional cargo room.
Then I'll smoke it too, because emissions fiasco aside, it makes sense. Effortless torque and great fuel economy lengthening the distance between fuel stops are part of the luxury experience. And a properly built diesel is quiet, so the "diesel clatter" argument doesn't hold.A diesel in a 50K luxury barge? You smoking something.