Random Thoughts (Political Edition)

prizrak;n3554061 said:
Pretty sure taxes and highly functioning country are antipodes
I guess you mean "high taxes", not taxes generally. No country can function without taxation of some form or level. The only Countries that have tried a no-tax approach are Comunist countries. Like North Korea. And of course NK is a great example for a functioning country ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_North_Korea

What measurements does one apply to find out how well a country functions? I'd argue Corrpution is a good indicator and Denmark (as well as other "high taxes" Nations) from Northern Europe do very well in that aspect while some of the lowest taxed nations like China, Russia or Irak - do very badly there.
 
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prizrak

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Interrobang;n3554074 said:
I guess you mean "high taxes", not taxes generally. No country can function without taxation of some form or level. The only Countries that have tried a no-tax approach are Comunist countries. Like North Korea. And of course NK is a great example for a functioning country ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_North_Korea

What measurements does one apply to find out how well a country functions? I'd argue Corrpution is a good indicator and Denmark (as well as other "high taxes" Nations) from Northern Europe do very well in that aspect while some of the lowest taxed nations like China, Russia or Irak - do very badly there.
Taxation is theft
 
93Flareside;n3554077 said:
Is it? How would things like roads, sidewalks, and general town maintenance get funded?
That's the point. It's "I'd rather see civilisation gone then to contribute to society." - throwing us all back to 3000 BC. Yeah, around the Time writing became a thing People did. But sure, these people without taxation were probably much better off then we are now. Better not invest in this thing called civilisation, who knows where that may lead humanity :rolleyes:

I think that line of thought is about as stupid as those hippies that want us to stop all industry and live in huts without electricty again and if possible stop eating meat because it's murder. I'm not going back to the bronze age, no thx. Not for people who wanna hug the planet, nor for people who just really don't want to contribute to society.
 
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prizrak

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93Flareside;n3554077 said:
Is it? How would things like roads, sidewalks, and general town maintenance get funded?
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/...tholes/519588/ - Anarchists in Portland fixing pothole because government can't/won't. Dunno bout your town in NYC sidewalks are to be taken care of by property owners adjacent to said sidewalk.

That's the point. It's "I'd rather see civilisation gone then to contribute to society." - throwing us all back to 3000 BC. Yeah, around the Time writing became a thing People did. But sure, these people without taxation were probably much better off then we are now. Better not invest in this thing called civilisation, who knows where that may lead humanity
I contribute to society via VOLUNTARY transactions, why should my labor be taken from me by force?

Might wanna check your timeline, the Sumerian civilization existed long before 3000BC, had writing, taxes and even codified laws and lawyers. So you know maybe first learn about the thing you want to talk about and then talk? (just a thought..)
 
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prizrak;n3554082 said:
[...] Might wanna check your timeline, the Sumerian civilization existed long before 3000BC, had writing, taxes and even codified laws and lawyers. So you know maybe first learn about the thing you want to talk about and then talk? (just a thought..)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuneiform
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_language

Sumerian, yes. But their writing has only been proven to have existed around 3000BC. Sumerian written Laws (and lawyers) can be traced back to 2100BC - earlier, so that concept is even younger.

What you're doing is taking the peak of Sumerian civilisation and dating them back to their beginnings. Like they just appeared are were wonderfully cívilizied. But their civilisation (as far as we know) lasted 2600 years. You wouldn't say the ancient greeks had space travel, Internet and techno music, would you?

So I first learned about the thing I wanted to talk about and then talked. I will now accept your apology. (just a thought ...)
 
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prizrak

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93Flareside;n3554111 said:
Taxes aren’t the problem, those in power with access to the tax revenue are what’s wrong.
There will always be someone in power with access to the tax revenue that does something that you or I, or someone else won't like.
 
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