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Retest the Zonda
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fbc
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Ximian said:
You sir are wrong. The Caterham is an amazing package and will run rings around most things with four wheels. I'm not saying it's faster than a Zonda - but around a tight twisty course with only short straights, I'm tipping the Caterham might actually beat a Zonda.
How can you possibly call a Caterham a piece of shit?? So is an Ariel Atom also a piece of shit? Rememer, this is the CSR260 we're talking about - so it's now got independent rear suspension, inboard dampers, dry-sumped motor etc etc - it's a serious bit of kit.
fbc said:
First of all: TGG, do you have any idea how stupid and out of place your point is? A second off the 0-60 time is a BIG deal, specially when talking about supercars and comparing the Zonda to a Caterham is like saying "Aaaah, for much less you could buy a Suzuki Hayabusa and beat both cars!" You are just not comparing two things alike.
Second thing: as far as I know, the Caterham serves a different purpose than the Zonda, and is very good at it! I may sound repetitive, but would be like me saying "Ooohhh, but the M5 has loads more trunk space!So it?s much better!" I think there?s no point comparing cars that aim so differently.
fbc
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Redliner said:
Bingo - hit the nail on the head.
Though I'd still be very interested to see how their track times compare - especially on a circuit that places a greater emphasis on handling rather than power.
p0w3r
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id think so too...the zonda is a pretty wide and long car (compared to the caterham), so even though it has great suspension and such, it still cant hide its sheer size and weight, so it wont be as nimble as the caterham.patrick10 said:
It doesn't have the caterham in its database, but you can see the donkervoort, with almost the same power.
http://img54.imageshack.**/img54/4775/paganidonkervoort6qc.jpg
The Donkervoort does 4.9 from 0-62,5, and the CSR 260 does 3.1 0-60mph, so there's a difference, that can be put in tyres and weather, and clutch condition, and driver, etc., but the car is pretty much the same.
But the main point: There's no comparison.
http://img54.imageshack.**/img54/4775/paganidonkervoort6qc.jpg
The Donkervoort does 4.9 from 0-62,5, and the CSR 260 does 3.1 0-60mph, so there's a difference, that can be put in tyres and weather, and clutch condition, and driver, etc., but the car is pretty much the same.
But the main point: There's no comparison.
fbc
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^ I'd still be intrigued to see the difference on a track that doesn't have several fast sections favouring outright power.
patrick10 said:
The only people who care about Auto-X are the ones who can't drive on real tracks. "Hey look! I can drive between cones at 20 miles per hour!"
A Zonda is a real car while a Caterham or Ariel Atom are not. No air conditioning, no doors, no wind screen, no roof, no care.
fbc
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Ximian said:
Erm the Caterham has a windscreen, and doors. And since when is air-conditioning a requirement??
But this is a stupid argument - as has been said, they exist to serve very different purposes, and they each serve those purposes extremely well.
And they're both very much real cars.
BlaRo
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Ximian is to the Caterham what autostream is to the Corvette: both seem to have an inexplicable, irrational hatred against their respective cars with little/no proof to back it up.
bartboy9891
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comparing the Zonda F to a Caterham is just wishful thinking. An Ariel Atom can do 0-60 in 2.9 sec, and it handles like a dream, but they arent comparing it to the Enzo or an M5 
. the Zonda F itself does 0-60 in 3.2 or 3.1 seconds, a healthy improvement and it is the fastest version now. Of course they are gonna test it.
. the Zonda F itself does 0-60 in 3.2 or 3.1 seconds, a healthy improvement and it is the fastest version now. Of course they are gonna test it.
Top Gear Girl
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Ximian said:
Have you ever seen a Zonda really close up? I have, and I wasn't that impressed with the finishing, it was a bit like a kit car.
fbc said:
I agree, on a track I'd bet the Caterham would beat it. And the 0-60 speed in losts of ways is more important than the top speed. Where are you ever going to be able to do over 200mph? But, you use 0-60 all the time. So the true fastest car is the fastest one to 0-60 thats the one you use, thats the one that counts. A top speed of more than 120mph is meaningless as there are very few places you can ever go any faster than that, and hardly any where you could do that legally or safely.
Top Gear Girl
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BlaRo said:
The Zonda is not a kit car. They are factory made.
Top Gear Girl
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BlaRo said:I thought you were talking about the Caterham!
Whew! I knew you couldn't be that stupid to not know the Caterham is a kit...
I know all about the Caterham and it's origins as a Lotus 7 replica to becoming a car in it's own right.