Retest the Zonda

[bihus]

A Zonda is a real car while a Caterham or Ariel Atom are not

Have you ever seen a Zonda really close up? I have, and I wasn't that impressed with the finishing, it was a bit like a kit car.

^ I'd still be intrigued to see the difference on a track that doesn't have several fast sections favouring outright power.

I agree, on a track I'd bet the Caterham would beat it. And the 0-60 speed in losts of ways is more important than the top speed. Where are you ever going to be able to do over 200mph? But, you use 0-60 all the time. So the true fastest car is the fastest one to 0-60 thats the one you use, thats the one that counts. A top speed of more than 120mph is meaningless as there are very few places you can ever go any faster than that, and hardly any where you could do that legally or safely.

0-60 doesn't mean shit. If you talk about 0-100, 30-70, 0-400m or something like that, I agree, but 0-60 favours very light cars, that after the initial shove face an aerodynamic barrier and lose all the advantage.
The Caterham may be faster in tight circuits, but a Pagani makes every road a circuit. There's simply no comparison.

A Porsche 996 Turbo S, or a Turbo with the Power Kit is as fast or even faster than, say, a DB9 or even a Vanquish, but the point is not that. A guy that buys a Pagani already has a Vanquish, a 996 Turbo, a Caterham, and others.
The Caterham is a toy, an expensive, fast, efficient and expensive, but nevertheless a toy.

 

[Aflac]

Zero to 60 is not the most important part. How often when you're driving do you dump the clutch at 4000 RPM?? Now if you mean the way in which a car goes 0-60 from a 0 RPM that is something most people use every day. It's also something you only use once on a lap of a track. More important is how the car accelerates in the mid ranges, like that ridiculous Mercedes with 700lbs of torque for instance that was so good for passing people. That's what you're going to be using when you power out of the corners, you're not going to stop at each one and smoke the tires.

And in responde to TGG, I have seen a Zonda in person and they are spectacular. They're the only supercar i've seen where it actually looks like you're getting your money's worth, especially on the inside. The interior looks unique and you feel like you have something special whereas BMWs and Mercedes for example have the most boring interior know to man (I mean for the price you pay, I know American cars are way worse inside).

Anyways they need to test the new zonda because the old one's time is way off.

 

[kanderson]

How often when you're driving do you dump the clutch at 4000 RPM??

At every intersection. :lol:

 

[BlaRo]

How often when you're driving do you dump the clutch at 4000 RPM??

At every intersection. :lol:

Showoff.
Grumble grumble grumble...

8)

 

[kanderson]

(sorry)

 

[fbc]

^ I'd still be intrigued to see the difference on a track that doesn't have several fast sections favouring outright power.

I agree, on a track I'd bet the Caterham would beat it. And the 0-60 speed in losts of ways is more important than the top speed. Where are you ever going to be able to do over 200mph? But, you use 0-60 all the time. So the true fastest car is the fastest one to 0-60 thats the one you use, thats the one that counts. A top speed of more than 120mph is meaningless as there are very few places you can ever go any faster than that, and hardly any where you could do that legally or safely.

Would depend on the track - as I said their times would be close on a tight track, but on a circuit with a decent straight and some fast corners the Zonda would beat the CSR comfortably.

0-60 is pretty meaningless - there's too many other issues like road surface and condition, tyre grip, etc for it to really give you idea of a car's performance. It's better to look at something like a 20-80 or 30-100mph time for a car's true accelerative capability.

 

[Top Gear Girl]

And in responde to TGG, I have seen a Zonda in person and they are spectacular

Well I just wasn't that impressed. Of course I'd love one, don't get me wrong, but it just didn't look like it justified it's ?300,000 price tag. I just think it's a bit over-rated and over priced.

 

[bartboy9891]

And in responde to TGG, I have seen a Zonda in person and they are spectacular

Well I just wasn't that impressed. Of course I'd love one, don't get me wrong, but it just didn't look like it justified it's ?300,000 price tag. I just think it's a bit over-rated and over priced.

the car is amazing so it isnt over-rated and considering how rare it is, it isnt over-priced

 

[Aflac]

Well I just wasn't that impressed. Of course I'd love one, don't get me wrong, but it just didn't look like it justified it's ?300,000 price tag. I just think it's a bit over-rated and over priced.

Well that's not saying much, all your cars are overpriced there in the UK! I'm always shocked when they mention the car prices there. Perfect example: Monaro ?30K in the UK and $30K in the US.

But anyways you're entitled to your opinion, and when we both have millions of dollars we'll just buy different cars.

 

[Tunafish]

i always thought it was dumb that they gave the Lamborghini another chance, but not the Zonda. Plus the Zonda would benifit alot more on the dry track than the Lambo. So retest the Zonda, and give it another chance!

 

[Top Gear Girl]

the car is amazing so it isnt over-rated and considering how rare it is, it isnt over-priced

Bah, bah. Thats the noise sheep make, as they aimlessly follow the other sheep. The Zonda isn't amazing, there are other cars just as good, if not better. The Koneigsegg, Enzo, Veyron, etc all better.

 

[fbc]

the car is amazing so it isnt over-rated and considering how rare it is, it isnt over-priced

Bah, bah. Thats the noise sheep make, as they aimlessly follow the other sheep. The Zonda isn't amazing, there are other cars just as good, if not better. The Koneigsegg, Enzo, Veyron, etc all better.

Veyron better than the Zonda? No ma'am, you're clearly mad. The Zonda has passion, it has soul, it's truly mad - key ingredients of a supercar. The Veyron is an engineer's wet dream - a soul-less, empty appliance. It may as well be a 400km/h fridge.

 

[BlaRo]

Exactly. Both may have stories, but the Zonda's is more of a personal one, filled with passion, dreams, inspiration, and dedication by a single man (with a small team, I would assume). The Veyron is a corporation's little experiment on creating a 200mph sensory deprivation box, and the almost comical single-mindedness by its engineers on creating it.

Plus, it's ugly.

 

[Tunafish]

The Zonda has always been my favorite supercar. People think it looks wierd, but i think it looks amazing.

 

[Top Gear Girl]

Exactly. Both may have stories, but the Zonda's is more of a personal one, filled with passion, dreams, inspiration, and dedication by a single man (with a small team, I would assume)

Well if you look at Koneigsegg, it's basically the same story, except, Kristian von Koenigsegg, has a much cooler name and he looks and sounds like a James Bond Super villain. "Ah Mr Bond, you've come to see my new car".

Guy on the left

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[Janus]

Cars I drive*:

McMerc SLR
Monaro
New M5
Lotus Elise
Aston DB9
Pagani Zonda


*in GT4

:lol:

 

[Aflac]

Hahaha good to see we've got people who can take a joke here!

 

[RichW]

Well to be fair, Ive been up close to lots of supercars. And the build quality isnt that great. Particularly the Ferraris. But rather surprisingly all the DB9s Ive seen are a bit iffy! Mercedes SLR isnt wonderful either

But Im not sure thats the most important thing. You're essentialy buying the package, (engine, brakes, suspension, sound etc) not the shut lines. :lol:

 

[BlaRo]

Exactly. Both may have stories, but the Zonda's is more of a personal one, filled with passion, dreams, inspiration, and dedication by a single man (with a small team, I would assume)

Well if you look at Koneigsegg, it's basically the same story, except, Kristian von Koenigsegg, has a much cooler name and he looks and sounds like a James Bond Super villain. "Ah Mr Bond, you've come to see my new car".

:lol: "Very sneaky, Mr. Bond."

Why I love the Koenigsegg: Gordon Murray, the man who needs no introduction, wrote a letter to Mr. Koenigsegg saying how his V8 Swedish meatball would never, never, ever surpass the McLaren F1 in speed, and basically lambasted the car. The rest, of course, is history.

 

[Top Gear Girl]

Why I love the Koenigsegg: Gordon Murray, the man who needs no introduction, wrote a letter to Mr. Koenigsegg saying how his V8 Swedish meatball would never, never, ever surpass the McLaren F1 in speed, and basically lambasted the car. The rest, of course, is history.

Yea, that was cool. I was so glad when it beat the F1, that car is so over rated and McLaren are so up themselfs.

Koenigsegg are also based in a former top secret fighter base as well, complete with underground bunkers. It's so James Bond. The cars are just a cover you know. Really, Baron Von Koenigsegg, is working on a secret weapon to take over the world and to prove I'm right, I bet his evil henchman get to be before I can finish this sen...