Sarkozy is the new president of France

Angst said:
Speaking as a citizen with an ID cards (everyone has it here), what's the problem with that? I really can't understand. Would you be so kind to explain? :)
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The main problems with the UK identity card proposals are :

the cost (rumoured to be upwards of ?100 per person with all the tech they want to put in)
it's ineffectiveness - ID cards won't stop terrorism, and we already have passports or driving licenses to identify who we are.
the faff involved in setting it all up
the extra hassle
the perception that it's another step down the road to being a police state a la 1984.

I can understand why you don't see it as a problem if you already have the system set up in your country. It's just setting up the system here is too much bother for no gain.

This is another debate entirely though...the arguments are summed up nicely on a wikipedia page.
 
teeb said:
The main problems with the UK identity card proposals are :

the cost (rumoured to be upwards of ?100 per person with all the tech they want to put in)
it's ineffectiveness - ID cards won't stop terrorism, and we already have passports or driving licenses to identify who we are.
the faff involved in setting it all up
the extra hassle
the perception that it's another step down the road to being a police state a la 1984.

I can understand why you don't see it as a problem if you already have the system set up in your country. It's just setting up the system here is too much bother for no gain.

This is another debate entirely though...the arguments are summed up nicely on a wikipedia page.
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A hundred pounds? That's crazy. Our passaports cost less. We can have an ID cards only when we are 15, and since four or five years there's the electronic one. It costs 5 ?uro, if I'm not wrong, however it's very, very economical. I only see the pros: being that priced and easy to do, it's not a problem if you lose it, while the passport costs 60 ?uros and it needs an extremely long bureaucratic iter. Oh, and not everyone has a driving licence. They're definitely useless to prevent terrorism, but in the end useful.
 
Aww..some of the liberals posting here are so cute. :happy: Whenever somebody who is politically conservative gains power by a majority of the vote (85% for this one!), doom and gloom and pessimistic thoughts abound. Oh, how the hands are rung, and how the rage and discontent builds.

"1984 State". That's rich. :lol: Isnt that what the UK is living in right now? Wave hello to the speed cameras and the cameras in the cities for me, will you?

Boy, what a jerk this Sarkozy is; wants to build better ties with Frances neighbours, get France back onto the tracks and get people working, and reduce welfare dependency, which in itself is as vile as slavery, and just as demeaning. Put that in your "1984 State" smoke it. :)


You are a great person Teeb, but when it comes to politics, all bets are off. Nothing personal. :)
 
teeb Thanks for the answer, what I was getting at. I have already been stopped by the Police under the Prevention of Terrorism act when they were after drink drivers (seriously - happen to live near NATS) so you just know that this stuff is NOT going to be used exclusively for its intended purpose.
 
teeb said:
This is bad news, in my opinion.

Firstly, simply by being Sarkozy, and having made the 'racailles' comment a bit back, half of Paris is going to go up in flames with riots - the news said some had already started.
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Well, I was right about something, at least. According to Le Monde, almost 730 cars were burnt the night after the election.

Aww..some of the liberals posting here are so cute. Whenever somebody who is politically conservative gains power by a majority of the vote (85% for this one!), doom and gloom and pessimistic thoughts abound. Oh, how the hands are rung, and how the rage and discontent builds.
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He won with 53% percent of the vote, his opponent - Segolene Royal - getting 47%. That's still a majority, sure, but not 85%. The 85% figure was the turnout. source

"1984 State". That's rich. Isnt that what the UK is living in right now? Wave hello to the speed cameras and the cameras in the cities for me, will you?
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The reason I said that was because he wants to set up an "institut d'identite nationale" (forgive the lack of accents, don't know how to do them on this pc), and the phrase "identite nationale" in France conjurs up the same kinds of thoughts as "1984" does in the UK or the States. This wasn't actually my opinion here - it was part fact, part one of my French lecturers' opinions - but I didn't make that very clear. Using the phrase "1984 state", whilst timesaving, was probably a vast overexaggeration on my part too. My bad.

And whilst the UK may be the country with the most number of CCTV cameras per person, I don't think I've ever called it a 1984 state.

Boy, what a jerk this Sarkozy is; wants to build better ties with Frances neighbours, get France back onto the tracks and get people working, and reduce welfare dependency, which in itself is as vile as slavery, and just as demeaning. Put that in your "1984 State" smoke it.
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Every politician's going to have policies you agree and disagree with. Obviously I can't disagree with the ones you've listed, nor do I disagree with his plans for a Europe-wide minimum wage (for example), but I disagree with several of his others.

Sarkozy's hoping to change much of France and French society; whilst his opponent would've mostly left the status quo where it is. Good luck to him, as I think he'll need it.


You are a great person Teeb, but when it comes to politics, all bets are off. Nothing personal.
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To each his own - that's half the fun of discussion :)
 
teeb said:
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He won with 53% percent of the vote, his opponent - Segolene Royal - getting 47%. That's still a majority, sure, but not 85%. The 85% figure was the turnout. source
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Whoops! Thanks for the heads up.
 
A great mind once said a Welfare State can't exist forever, because the middle class eventually gets sick of shouldering the entire burden. A lot of welfare states, such as Canada and Australia, have voted for conservative governments in recent time. France is just following the world trend.

Mais ou sont tous les fran?ais de Final Gear?
 
jayhawk said:
Aww..some of the liberals posting here are so cute. :happy: Whenever somebody who is politically conservative gains power by a majority of the vote (85% for this one!), doom and gloom and pessimistic thoughts abound. Oh, how the hands are rung, and how the rage and discontent builds.
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Firstly, I'm no liberalistic moron, I am a socialist, a realist and a moderate liberalist.

So, mr. Sarkozy, who of the 125 000 employed in the French public apparateus are you going to fire?

And Jay, this is as thypical as when 'you' Americans hear of someone being liberal, and thinking it's satan. Come on. :p You do.

And on the side. Is Sarkozy conservative? He wishes to change a system that's been unchanged for several years. That's normally referred to as "liberal". Royal is the conservative here. It's easy to forget the meaning of "conservative". 'To oppose change and conserve'. :tease:
 
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