Superchargers are for pussies! [Viper ACR does 7:22 @ 'Ring]

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Sure, but you're not gonna take either of them to the shops, or on a long journey, so the extra confort is a bit useless...
 

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Sure, but you're not gonna take either of them to the shops, or on a long journey, so the extra confort is a bit useless...

Lots of people use Vipers as daily drivers. Sure this ACR model is a bit stiff, but I doubt that'll stop the owners from driving them. It's never stopped them before. Some 20-30% of Vipers end up wrecked, because the people that buy them tend to use them, not park them in a garage so they can be looked at occasionally.
 

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Yeah, but no one is going to buy the ACR and drive it every day. It's going to be wither someone who knows loads about cars, who will have enough money for another "city" car, and who will use this on the track, or it will be a rich guy who wants the fastest Viper and finds out it's not that great (he never drives it on the track), and uses something else instead.
 

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Again, race team engineers are not the same as performance specialists for road cars. I doubt i'll be surprised as I know who did the tuning :p however i'm not about to get the person who's conversation I overheard into trouble...

So now Lotus is all about road cars?

And Mizuno spoke about using their race team's experience to develop the car, using inertia to produce mechanical grip.

I meant you might be surprised at the number of competent engineers at Nissan.

Now you said tuning, but before that you said it wasn't tuning.

But its no secret that Lotus helped with the suspension etc. I also read that Cosworth helped with the engine.

Most modern cars might spend a few weeks in a physical wind tunnel for aero fine tuning. The GT-R was in there for two years, much of it at Lotus in Norfolk, because it has one of the few facilities with a high-speed rolling road in the floor.


I'll give you that one...

I also prefer lightweight sportscars. I like small boobs, too, but there's something to be said a big pair of hooters.
 

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Yeah, but no one is going to buy the ACR and drive it every day. It's going to be wither someone who knows loads about cars, who will have enough money for another "city" car, and who will use this on the track, or it will be a rich guy who wants the fastest Viper and finds out it's not that great (he never drives it on the track), and uses something else instead.

What makes you think that? I would absolutely drive an ACR on the street as a semi daily. Granted it wouldn't be very usable in the rain so would have to be driven on clear days.
 

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yeah, or if someone lives somewhere with better weather than NYC or Germany, they could drive it all the time.
 

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If it were the SCCA it would be Showroom Stock. The ACR comes will all that right out of the box and minus 60 pounds. It would be like saying that a Audi S4 is not technically a road car because it is not the base model.
 

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I remember this same argument from when the GT-R beat the "lap record". It was explained to you then, I guess you must have forgotten.

No, I remember quite well, but I don't think the Viper is a 2+2.

Uhh, No. There is no comparing a bath tub with a racing seat to the closed roof production sports coupe. The ACR almost looks luxurious compared to the Radical.

Everyone seems to conveniently forget Donkervoort

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Wow, they duct-taped some padding onto the edge of the roll cage. Luxury!

How could I forget "Donkervoort", indeed. Such an awe-inspiring name that exudes power, speed, and ferocity...wait.
 

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Wow, they duct-taped some padding onto the edge of the roll cage. Luxury!

How could I forget "Donkervoort", indeed. Such an awe-inspiring name that exudes power, speed, and ferocity...wait.

1. It's a sportscar not a limo.
2. Don't diss Donkervoort when they have a 7:14.
 

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It's more like a kitcar, rather then a supercar. Still kicks ass though. Nicest interior I've seen on a Caterham.
 

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No, I remember quite well, but I don't think the Viper is a 2+2.



Everyone seems to conveniently forget Donkervoort

I thought it was more to do with production numbers, whether or not the car was road legal (some people seemed to think it was important that the car was road legal in Germany - perhaps due to the track's status as a public road) and if it was still in production (current record).
 

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I thought it was more to do with production numbers, whether or not the car was road legal (some people seemed to think it was important that the car was road legal in Germany - perhaps due to the track's status as a public road) and if it was still in production (current record).

I though it was more about the size of the manufacturing company, if the car is built on a production line, if the car has a roof, and total production numbers of all models of that type. All as irrelevant as the number of seats.

By the way Radical make over 150 cars a year, the SR8 was road legal in Germany at the time the 6:55 was run and you can currently buy them new in Europe, the US, UAE, Australia, Japan, Hong Kong and Columbia.
The Donkervoort fails on the production status issue, they only made 25 D8 270 RSs.
How does the 2008 ACR stack up... is it even in production yet?
 

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1. It's a sportscar not a limo.
2. Don't diss Donkervoort when they have a 7:14.

If you don't have fun saying "Donkervoort", you're doing it rong.
 

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It's more like a kitcar, rather then a supercar. Still kicks ass though. Nicest interior I've seen on a Caterham.

except that you can't build an "ACR" yourself and they will not sell you the kit other than that your right on the money.
 

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except that you can't build an "ACR" yourself and they will not sell you the kit other than that your right on the money.

He was referring to the Donkervoort, which I also don't think you can build yourself. But the company has been making Lotus Seven replica-type cars for 30 years, so it seems more like a kitcar than a production supercar. Either way Meio I think the Donkervoort that set the ~7:14 was a heavily modified car. In the very least there was a very large spoiler on the car that set that time that's not present on the road car.
 

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donkervoort sounds like a sex think

i flip her over and bam i gave her the old donkervoort
 

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I though it was more about the size of the manufacturing company, if the car is built on a production line, if the car has a roof, and total production numbers of all models of that type. All as irrelevant as the number of seats.

By the way Radical make over 150 cars a year, the SR8 was road legal in Germany at the time the 6:55 was run and you can currently buy them new in Europe, the US, UAE, Australia, Japan, Hong Kong and Columbia.
The Donkervoort fails on the production status issue, they only made 25 D8 270 RSs.
How does the 2008 ACR stack up... is it even in production yet?

So that just leaves the Radical. I guess it just depends on your definition of "production" car. If we get rid of the reference to the "record" then it would be easier for people (who want to) to dismiss cars like the Radical based on their impracticality and just judge the lap-times.

I'm assuming they base the Viper's production status based on projected production run.
 

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I can't believe people are comparing a Radical to a Viper to...
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Can you girlfriend/wife/boyfriend get into the Radical while wearing a skirt?
Then its not a normal street car.
Can he/she/it keep dry during the rain?
Then its not a normal street car.
Can...aw screw it if that doesn't prove a point nothing will.

O and the Radical is like the Atom which is not a "real" street car. It has no trunk, can't be driven everyday (in the sense of OMG SNOW I CAN'T MOVE ANYMORE AND IM GOING TO FREEZE AS IT PLOWS THROUGH THE DRIVERS COMPARTMENT).
 
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