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Silly Chinaman.
Silly Chinaman.
Not only disabled grandma's like to stay dry and warm in the winter, but 99.9% of all drivers.... and there's a name for the rest: motorcyclists.
Ooh, did I touch a nerve there with your precious Donkervoort? There I go again, I guess. Remember kids, I aim to please.
What I'm suggesting is that to claim that a record is invalid for a car with no roof that is essentially a street legal racing car, you would have to deny the car-ness of some cars from the established greats of the automotive world.
Would you deny the car-ness of the road/race machines used in such races as the Mille Miglia of the 40s? Many of the early high performance cars were roadster, spyder, barchetta, or similar body styles, and many of them still are. Would you accuse Ferrari of not actually making a real car until the 50s? What about Aston Martin? Alfa Romeo? They all made no-frills competition cars which were available to purchase by the wealthy for road use. Very often no-frills = no roof.
Just because you're too much of a cosseted wuss to enjoy the wind in your hair while you blast around the countryside doesn't mean that your pathetic opinion carries any weight as to the validity of a car to hold a record for quickest lap time for a street legal production car.
I don't bum Donkervoorts or even Mr Donkervoort, I just think that you're treading a fine line with the "LOL, what a silly name." gags.
Donkervoort. It's a bit funny.
40s, 50s.... notice a trend? not now.
Just cause it was acceptable to invade poland in the 40s doesn't mean it's still ok now.
Yeah, I'm afraid this will be the same as the Z06, great on the track, awful on the road.
Not only disabled grandma's like to stay dry and warm in the winter, but 99.9% of all drivers.... and there's a name for the rest: motorcyclists.
The original Viper didn't have a roof or even side windows. I know this isn't really relevant, but Dodge knew that it wouldn't be bought by that many people and that those people would only drive it when it was nice and sunny outside.
However I would like to point out that anything with a bike engine can't really be called a car
So the Radical's record is a valid record in your book?
(I'll play fair and point out that the Powertec RP V8 was developed as a car engine, and, as far as I know, has never been used in a bike.)
Does the Viper not count as a car because it uses a truck engine?
This disagreement has gone way beyond pointless.
If you can legally drive it on roads. Its a street vehicle.
whether it be a radical SR8 or a Viper ACR or a Lotus Exige or a Rolls Royce Phantom.
The Viper just happens to hold the record right now for production cars.
I don't even know why you guys started arguing in the first place but I couldn't just sit back and watch anymore.
There are a few things that need to be considered first. I do not know this car at all so forgive my ignorance.
Is this car streetable at all?
An owner on another site...
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=504696It's just a tweaked Viper. I drove my ACR 2400 miles home in July, and it handled the trip back very, very well. Hell, IMO, it drove better on the street than my 06 Viper coupe.
The guy has also owned a Ford GT and a Shelby GT500, among other cars.
Lots of people use Vipers as daily drivers. Sure this ACR model is a bit stiff, but I doubt that'll stop the owners from driving them. It's never stopped them before. Some 20-30% of Vipers end up wrecked, because the people that buy them tend to use them, not park them in a garage so they can be looked at occasionally.
It looks like a throbbing, flexing out and out race car with that big wing and low ride height. Doesn't look that comfortable to drive on the street, whereas the ZR1 is supposed to be because of its fancy magnetic suspension. Does the ACR use anything like that?
If this is just a stripped out race car, then well no shit it's going to beat the 'Vette. But the Vette is almost as fast but it's still civilized on the road and looks far less ridiculous while doing it too.
Am I wrong?
I think what we're comparing here is apples and oranges. The ACR sounds like it's designed to be a track car. The fact that they did this run with slicks, a race-suspension setup, a huge wing, and the weight reduction option demonstrates this. While the Corvette was run without any tweaking, in the same configuration as it would see on the street (they specifically left the ride-height at the street setting) which demonstrates they are going for a performance and ride quality level that will be competative with the much more expensive exotics. The fact that it will do all this, without a professional driver, and only be 4 seconds slower than the ACR actually speaks very highly of the 'Vette imo.
The ACR is a production Viper, it comes with an adjustable suspension, the wing and the tires out of the factory. It is basically the top performing version of the Viper that Dodge sells to the public. The ZR-1 is a top version of the Vette that GM sells to the public. As for changes to suspension settings, I suspect that the ZR-1 did not run with it's rheomagnetic suspension in "comfort" mode.