The Aviation Thread [Contains Lots of Awesome Pictures]

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Wow, that near-miss is pretty bad. We could have lost the only Airbus Boeing 767 in the world.
 

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according to ATC, that move was planned, and there was more than enough space between the planes
 

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I'd say the 767 was on a mile or so final when the A340 entered the runway environment another 5,000'+ down the runway, from the sounds of the Failbus spooling up, they were taxiing much slower than ATC anticipated. 767 crew did the safe thing and executed a normal go-around. I love how the uneducated public (lets not get into how people can't understand the concept of telephoto compression) gets their panties in a bunch thinking it was a close call and disaster was narrowly avoided.

Fuggin plebs
 

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Found this on PPRuNe from JADEC:



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Well that's some taxiway route for 25R departures! :rolleyes:

Argentinas A343 at Barcelona on Jul 5th 2014, runway incursion - Aviation Herald

AH said:
By Simon Hradecky, created Sunday, Jul 6th 2014 18:27Z, last updated Wednesday, Jul 9th 2014 15:18Z

An Aerolineas Argentinas Airbus A340-300, registration LV-FPV performing flight AR-1163 from Barcelona,SP (Spain) to Buenos Aires,BA (Argentina), had already crossed runway 02 at taxiways K and D and was taxiing for departure along taxiway M for departure from runway 25R. Without slowing the aircraft crossed active runway 02.

At the time a UTAir Boeing 767-300, registration VQ-BSX performing flight UT-5187 from Moscow Domodedovo (Russia) to Barcelona,SP (Spain), was on short final to runway 02 descending through about 200 feet AGL, when the crew initiated a go-around after spotting the Airbus crossing the runway near the runway midpoint. The aircraft positioned for another approach to runway 02 and landed safely about 15 minutes later.

Runway 02 is normally not used and inactive. Taxiways K,E,D,M,N,T and S thus usually can be used without observing the holding points protecting runway 02. The habit of taxiing across runway 02 without paying attention to the holding points for runway 02 has already caused a number of runway incursions.

It later emerged, that following the landing clearance for UT-5187 a runway a crossing clearance was issued to AR-1163 (ATC operational error, in most of Europe runway separation is solely responsibility of the tower, a landing clearance means that the arriving traffic is the only one permitted on the runway, no other clearance can be issued to enter/use the runway unlike e.g. the USA where ATC is permitted to "anticipate runway separation" if the pilots see the preceding traffic and thus turn runway separation to pilot's discretion unless low visibility procedures are in use, hence multiple landing clearances and takeoff clearance can be issued at the same time).

Radar data confirm the Boeing was on short final descending through about 200 feet AGL (less than 20 seconds from touch down, about 1.7nm/40 seconds laterally from the Airbus) when they initiated the go-around.

Aena, the airport operator and ATC service provider, stated that the UTAir Boeing could have continued the landing without any danger, the separation was sufficient. Neither company filed any safety report (editorial note: this statement, although not expressis verbis stating this, suggests that the Airbus was cleared to cross the runway).

I'd say the 767 was on a mile or so final when the A340 entered the runway environment another 5,000'+ down the runway, from the sounds of the Failbus spooling up, they were taxiing much slower than ATC anticipated. 767 crew did the safe thing and executed a normal go-around. I love how the uneducated public (lets not get into how people can't understand the concept of telephoto compression) gets their panties in a bunch thinking it was a close call and disaster was narrowly avoided.

Fuggin plebs

The camera does foreshorten the shot which does make it look a lot closer.

And good estimate on the distance, 1.7nm before the go-around. :cool:
 

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Well that's some taxiway route for 25R departures! :rolleyes:
from the JACDEC link:

The Aerolineas Argentinas Airbus A340 was taxiing along taxiway ?Kilo?, crossed the threshold of runway 02 for the 1st time. Then the pilots intended to depart from runway 25R (instead of the shorter 25L) and turned left into taxiway ?Delta?, crossing the active runway 02 for a 2nd time.
Unless I haven't understood that well, they would have crossed rwy 02/20 only once if not for the change in departure rwy. So it looks like all other aviation incidents: a chain of events led to a situation that shouldn't have happened. AR taxies towards departure from 25L, crosses 02/20 without incident. Requests and is given departure from 25R, will have to cross 02/20 twice more. Since 02/20 is rarely used, so little attention is paid to crossing it. ATC makes a mistake and sends two aircraft to the same spot at the same time. UT crew on approach to 02 aborts landing, breaks the chain of events and all is well.
 

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from the JACDEC link:


Unless I haven't understood that well, they would have crossed rwy 02/20 only once if not for the change in departure rwy.

A departure from 25L would only cross 02 once, via Kilo: yes!

However, the change in departure rwy wasn't mentioned until the 9th July on the Aviation Herald. And is noted as unverifyiable, so far. Have you got more information on that? :think:

So it looks like all other aviation incidents: a chain of events led to a situation that shouldn't have happened. AR taxies towards departure from 25L, crosses 02/20 without incident. Requests and is given departure from 25R, will have to cross 02/20 twice more.

Probably airways departure clearance from 25R, yes.

Since 02/20 is rarely used, so little attention is paid to crossing it. ATC makes a mistake and sends two aircraft to the same spot at the same time.

That's what appears to have happened, which the Russian crew have now reported an appology from ATC for clearing the A340 onto the active runway, after already giving UTAir landing clearance.

UT crew on approach to 02 aborts landing, breaks the chain of events and all is well.

The Russian crew did the prudent thing and went around, they may not have needed to for seperation.

:smile:
 

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Yet none of us will ever be as cool as "Sinatra-getting-out-of-a-helicopter-on-a-rooftop-with-a-glass-of-whiskey-in-his-hand"
 

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Oh man, shot down by a missile? that isn't cool at all...
 
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