The 'I don't like Tesla' Thread

eizbaer said:
huh, I feel like that should probably be illegal? 🤷‍♂️
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Having it sent out now, means that it'll be included in the terms of sale, and meant to hamper scalpers.

John Cena had to pay a settlement (to charity) when he sold his Ford GT early. They were limited production, and Ford didn't want them to be all snatched up by "investors" and then turned around and flipped for profit.
 
Tesla apparently hasn't learned much from other car companies, plans to make heated seats and heated wipers paid subscriptions.

www.autoevolution.com

Tesla Prepares To Turn Heated Front Seats and Wipers Into Paid Features

Tesla's 2023.38.8 software update brings surprising changes for the 2024 model-year EVs. Among them are support for electronic toll devices, improve...
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that would make sense for markets where it doesn't get cold, but I don't know if the numbers add up?
I guess if they can make the same car a million times is cheaper? But I dunno how I would feel knowing I have the hardware installed but can't use it?

Then again, same goes for Full Self Driving, that is software blocked aswell?
 
NooDle said:
Then again, same goes for Full Self Driving, that is software blocked aswell?
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also rear heated seats since forever on teslas as well (with the standard model at least? not sure)... although at least that's a one time payment rather than a subscription.

... or maybe they ditched that again in the meantime. I dunno. I've stopped following their shenanigans.
 
NooDle said:
But I dunno how I would feel knowing I have the hardware installed but can't use it?
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With different hardware, this is quite common. For example, my 2er had cameras for some safety thing, but if you want the cameras to also do traffic sign recognition (ie, if you want the software to display the already-recognized signs), you'd have to check a box when ordering the car _or_ buy it online afterwards.
Obviously, in this case they had to install the hardware anyways, not a production simplification issue.
 
^I kinda get that, but I don't understand why a subscription model is better? Just install it anyways, let people choose if they want it, and let them pay the thing in one chunk? That way I know the cost and depending on how long I will use the car for, I will make the decision if it's worth it.

Only benefit I can think of : you can "turn off" / deactivate your buttheaters in summer, and then you don't make the payments?
 
How about option C, since they are building the car with the heater already there, why not just make it a standard feature? Oh, I forgot about milking every last cent out of a sale. Nevermind.
 
Yes, Option C is possible, but that would raise the cost of the car, and in many cases EVs under a certain price point are eligable for huge federal kickbacks.... In BE we recently have a new law that any EV under 40k€ gets a 5,5k€ refund.... so offering a subscription is a way to offer this without raising the base price of the car
 
How would it raise the cost of the car if the hardware is already installed on every example of that model?
 
Blind_Io said:
How would it raise the cost of the car if the hardware is already installed on every example of that model?
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Exactly! It is already there, just make it standard equipment. It makes the vehicle a better value.
 
All cars cost the same to make.
However, if you can then sell eg half of them for more because of the additional feature you can then sell the other half for less while keeping the overall average margin the same. It actually does make the “base model“ cheaper, since the higher price / higher margin optioned model effectively subsidizes the other model. Also the “base price” somehow still seems to be a relevant number (even if nobody ends up ever buying base spec).

GRtak said:
It makes the vehicle a better value.
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Which, sadly, is entirely irrelevant to an automotive executive.
 
I think car execs just think customers are idiots who don't know they are being fleeced; and I can't wait for the day customers punish them for that assumption.
 
Blind_Io said:
I think car execs just think customers are idiots who don't know they are being fleeced; and I can't wait for the day customers punish them for that assumption.
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I am convinced some really are idiots...the question that remains is if those idiots are enough to justify this practice.
 
Blind_Io said:
I think car execs just think customers are idiots who don't know they are being fleeced; and I can't wait for the day customers punish them for that assumption.
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Well, in the case of some Tesla fanboys, they are completely right. So there's that.
Many people want a Tesla because Tesla, and because of the tech which is, let's be honest, pretty much as good as it can get nowadays.
 

Tesla launched its own car insurance.
These drivers say it's a lemon. ​

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www.reuters.com

Tesla launched its own car insurance. These drivers say it's a lemon.

Elon Musk promised cheaper, better, even “revolutionary” auto insurance after Tesla started losing sales because of high premiums. But understaffing left some customers waiting weeks or months for compensation as they continued making payments on crashed cars.
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Musk is going to find out that there are strict laws about car insurance in each state - and if he keeps breaking the law his insurance company won't be allowed to operate.
 
jack_christie said:
www.reuters.com

Tesla launched its own car insurance. These drivers say it's a lemon.

Elon Musk promised cheaper, better, even “revolutionary” auto insurance after Tesla started losing sales because of high premiums. But understaffing left some customers waiting weeks or months for compensation as they continued making payments on crashed cars.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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he engaged Autopilot, Tesla’s automated driving system. The car started beeping and lurched left — striking a median and flipping.
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