Well, really, whenever I talk about the Beatles as a band, I almost always include George Martin. His recording techniques and influence had such a major impact on the band that if someone says the Beatles they were the "most skilled and most original" band of their time, I would include George Martin.SPG900 said:I'm certainly a Beatles fan, but I'd like to nuance that "most musically skilled and most original". Let's not forget that, first of all, they wouldn't have done what they did without George Martin. Lennon and McCartney were pretty good at taking up things around them, and they took up lots from him. And what would their music be without all his great arrangements etc? I'm also pretty convinced that Martin could take credit for some of the more daring chord progressions.
Okay, you can't make a statement as absurd as that without backing yourself up. I'm a classicaly trained pianist, as well as a guitar player. I can read sheet music, I can read chords and I can read tabs. You can not say that one is better than the other. Each of them is a system for explaining an abstract language - they have strenghts and weaknesses because of varying complexities in how you write things, but that is reflected in the music that each is used for. If you are playing a Beatles song, it is only natural to express it in chords and tabs. If you are playing a classical song, it is natural to express it in standard sheet music. Not being able to read sheet music does not reflect musical talent at all - they merely use a different language.SPG900 said:Most musically skilled? They couldn't even read notes.
You do realize that Brian Wilson suffered a major nervous breakdown after hearing Sgt. Pepper's, right? After he heard the album for the first time, he realized that the Beatles had completely trumped him - he literally could not get out of bed because of debilitating depression and completely stopped making music for weeks.SPG900 said:Most original then? Hm, they may have started something with albums like Rubber Soul, but there were other bands out there doing similar things. Most notably of course, The Beach Boys. Sure, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was a great pop record, but in my opinion it's easily beaten by Pet Sounds, which predates Sgt. Pepper's and even Revolver. Listen to tracks like She's Leaving Home, and focus a bit on McCartney's bass playing post-'66, and you'll hear what sort of an influence Brian Wilson has been. It should also be mentioned that Sgt. Pepper's was a work by Lennon, McCartney and Martin, whereas Wilson was on his own.
You should really watch this documentary first before you argue against it. A huge portion of the show explains the importance of the Beatles music in lieu of contemporary classical music. Please watch the show before you continue to discuss this.SPG900 said:hey may have been the best and most successful pop band, but they didn't do it without a little help, and they didn't make the best pop album (not even of their time), or so I think. And furthermore, it's merely pop. I'm sorry but you can only analyse Beatles songs to a certain extent. When it comes to music theory, classical music offers a million times more. Haven't watched this particular documentary yet, but so many times they have been called music geniuses or whatnot. I have to say it annoys me a little. Very talented though, without a doubt.