The Trump Presidency - how I stopped worrying and learned to love the Hair

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@SirEdward I mostly agree with you, and as someone smarter than myself said “Best thing about Trump is that it got liberals worrying about feds having too much power.

We should absolutely scrutinize every single
word he says and every single action he takes, as we should with all politicians at every level. If this continues beyond Trump then I would personally consider his presidency as a resounding success.
 

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Short version: Mexico agreed to all their concessions months ago (before Trump's tariff threat), and Trump claimed they agreed to buy a bunch of farm goods but there's nothing in the agreement about that and Mexico says they never discussed it and they don't know what he's talking about.

Either Trump is clueless and doesn't know what Mexico already agreed to, or he got played into accepting something they already agreed to.

This is part for the course for Trump: make a bunch of threats and slap a tariff on something. Markets drop, people get pissed. He blames the democrats, Mexico, or anyone but himself and claims he is being treated unfairly; says he will push them around to get what he wants. Then he declares he got what he wanted, even if it has nothing to do with what he first complained about, cancels the tariff. Markets go up because stability is good for growth. Trump declares victory for "fixing" the problem he caused.
 
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Why, so you can find some new reason that sources don't matter unless they tell you what you want to hear?
 

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No, to verify this is not one of those "inside sources claim" article that could've been done by the guard's wives' golf friends who occasionally plays at a Trump course. It is a reasonable thing to ask considering that if there was something written about this all the media would be on it like children on an ice cream truck, whether they allegedly go 'orange man bad' or not.
 

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10 seconds of reading will tell you that all of these reference the original NYT article. I am not trying to shit on NYT, however we have seen before that an article gets essentially reprinted by a bunch of outlets and then later debunked. I am not in any way suggesting that NYT made this up or that it is not true. Simply that having independent confirmation from other sources is a basic necessity at this point.
 

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You wanted something where you could see the full article without having to pay. Now you are complaining that it's referencing the article I originally linked - because I followed it back to the agency that originally broke the story.
 

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You wanted something where you could see the full article without having to pay. Now you are complaining that it's referencing the article I originally linked - because I followed it back to the agency that originally broke the story.
I didn't complain of anything. Lev asked you for a source other than NYT, the ones you provided are reprints of NYT article, which is all I pointed out.

To be completely honest, I don't much care either way. I think tariffs are idiotic, no matter who implements them and I also don't think it's up to MX (or any other foreign country) to secure US border.
 

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No, more because I wouldn't use the NYT to wipe my ass. They're notorious for attacking Trump so when I can't find any third party verification of their claims, I tend to be skeptical.
:ROFLMAO: Don't like critique of the person you like? Find the news source that you already agree with!

Trump is being criticized because of how he attempts to run things, the role of the media in a democracy is to create that accountability, not tell you what you want to hear or repeat the talking points of the administration.

I wonder if you are so critical of news stories that you like? Do you also want multiple independent sources for favorable stories, because so far, I haven't seen it in here.
 
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"Notorious for attacking Trump"? That's ... bad? I thought taking the man to task is what papers were supposed to do, if they're worth their salt.
 

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You mean "Portly tangerine found incompetent and foolish"?
 

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^ Now can I point out that I fucking called the deficit back when the tax cuts were announced and I was told I was full of shit by certain users?

Because I fucking called it. "The tax cuts will pay for themselves" my ass.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics...t/story?id=63669304&__twitter_impression=true

Nothing to see here, just the president of the US staying he would work with foreign nations to get dirt on his political rivals...

Before someone says that no politician would turn down an advantage, Al Gore was given George W Bush's debate prep and guess what? He called the FBI. I guess when you act like a thug and a gangster, in your world "calling the FBI" isn't an option.
 
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The effects of Trump's politics are well known: they are the same that have been happening in the entire Western World in the last two decades (sometimes even more) at the very least, and that have brought us where we are now.

They are the reasons why so many people are angry and looking for something different and they vote for the first one to tell them something that seems new.

That happened to the US too, and you elected a champion of the same group that brought you there. Only because he said things in a nice manner.

If you wanted to know what happens to a Western Country when you elect a multibillionnaire entrepreneur with shady ties, you could have looked at Italy and Berlusconi. He did exactly the same as Trump is doing: make the rich richer and the poor poorer while swearing otherwise and letting the fertile soil that is needed to generate wealth get arid and sterile.

I am not saying in any way that the alternatives would have been better; I am saying that this is what you chose to have, despite the fact that it was already possible to know the truth. The harsh truth: to have someone rich (=with power) share some of them with the poor... there needs to be a reason for that to happen; be it religion, necessity, force, folly, ideology. There must be a reason. With Trump, as with Berlusconi before him and all the "trickle down" nonsense, there was none, so it didn't happen. It hasn't been happening singe the 1980'ies, it has never happened with those ideas. Let's face reality.

The only moment the rich gave up part of their money is when they were forced, by some mean or other (coincidentally positive or brutally negative) to do so.
 
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