- Dec 6, 2007
A significant number of people cannot imagine any situation that would cause them to no longer support Trump. Another takeaway is that Trump supporters and detractors disagree on the nature of reality - something we've seen here when @LeVeL says "Trump made a phone call" to minimize the impact of the content of that phone call, as well as the context.Partisan Opinion on Trump Digs in
President Donald Trump’s approval rating remains stable as the impeachment inquiry intensifies, with evidence that both sides of public opinion are digging in. The Monmouth University Poll finds that support for an inquiry, as well as for impeachment itself, have ticked up, but there is not a great deal of public trust in how the process is unfolding. Partisan opinion is sharply divided on Trump’s call with the Ukrainian president, even to the point of disagreeing on the widely reported content of the call itself. Most Americans say that those who want to remove Trump from office would be smarter to focus on the next election rather than impeachment, including a sizable number of those who actually support impeachment.
The president’s job rating stands at 43% approve and 51% disapprove. This is not significantly different from his 41% to 53% rating in late September, just after news broke about Trump’s phone call with the Ukrainian president. Over the past 12 months, the president’s approval rating has ranged from 40% to 44% in Monmouth’s polling, while his disapproval rating has ranged from 49% to 54%.
Trump’s overall rating has been fairly stable with evidence that both sides of public opinion have become more entrenched over the past two years. Currently, 27% of Americans say they approve of Trump’s job performance and cannot foresee anything that would change their minds, while a larger number (36%) say their disapproval of the president is unmovable. Compared with January 2018, firm approval has increased by 6 points from 21% and firm disapproval has increased by 6 points from 30%. On the other hand, the number of people who say their opinion of Trump could change has decreased from 41% in January 2018 to 31% now.
“These results suggest that the partisan tribes on both sides are digging in as the impeachment spotlight intensifies,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.
Another issue on which opinion has become more entrenched is whether Trump has kept his promise to “drain the swamp” in Washington. Currently, 30% say he has made progress in this area, which is up from 23% who said the same in June. At the same time, 37% say Trump has actually made the swamp worse, which is up from 32% this past summer. Another 25% say that nothing has really changed in Washington’s “swamp,” a number that has dropped from 35% in June.
One aspect of public opinion that has not changed is the fact that few Americans are surprised by how Trump has behaved in office. Just 19% say they are surprised by his behavior as president while more than 3-in-4 (79%) say his behavior really doesn’t surprise them. This opinion is practically unchanged from June 2019 (21% surprised and 77% not) and April 2018 (19% surprised and 79% not).
– Impeachment opinion –
At this time, 44% of Americans feel that Trump should be impeached and compelled to leave the presidency, while 51% disagree with this course of action. These results are similar to a Monmouth University Poll taken in late September (44% for impeachment and 52% against), but remain higher than impeachment support measured over the summer (35% for and 59% against in August and June).
When presented with four statements about impeachment and Trump’s behavior in office, a plurality (37%) say that his actions are clearly grounds for impeachment and another 17% say that his actions should be looked into as possible impeachable offenses. On the other side of public opinion, just 16% say Trump has not done anything wrong at all and 28% say that some of his actions may have been improper but do not rise to the level of an impeachable offense.
Just over half of Americans (51%) say it is a good idea for the House of Representatives to conduct an inquiry which may or may not lead to impeachment. Another 44% say this is a bad idea. After the Ukraine news broke in late September, a Monmouth poll asking about the inquiry specifically in reference to the House Judiciary Committee found that 49% saw it as a good idea and 43% as a bad idea. This opinion has not shifted significantly over the past month, but support for a House inquiry remains higher than when it was first announced in August (41% good idea and 51% bad idea).
– Trust in the inquiry –
While there is growing public support for an inquiry, the public is not very confident with the process to date. Just 24% say they have a lot of trust in how the House impeachment inquiry has been conducted so far, 29% have a little trust, and 44% have no trust at all. Among those who support impeaching and removing Trump from office, 46% have a lot of trust in the process so far, 40% have a little trust, and 12% have no trust. Among those who oppose impeachment, just 6% have a lot of trust and 20% have a little trust, while 71% have no trust. Half the public (50%) believes that holding more of the impeachment hearings in public will increase trust in the process, 17% say it will decrease trust, and 29% say it will have no impact.
Neither political party is seen as particularly high-minded in this process. Just 31% of Americans say congressional Democrats are more interested in pursuing the facts while 60% say they are more interested in finding ways to bring down Trump. Even fewer Americans (25%) say congressional Republicans are more interested in pursuing the facts while 61% say they are more interested in finding ways to defend Trump.
– Removing Trump from office –
Few Americans (24%) believe that the U.S. Senate would remove Trump from office in an impeachment trial. This sentiment is largely unchanged from August (20%). Seven-in-ten (71%) do not think it is likely the Senate would remove Trump. Even among those who support impeaching the president, just 39% think it is likely that the Senate would vote to remove Trump from office.
Most Americans (59%) agree with the statement that “if you want Trump out of office, it makes more sense to focus on next year’s election rather than go through an impeachment process now.” Just one-third of the public (34%) disagrees with this view. Even among those who support removing Trump from office via impeachment, 4-in-10 (39%) actually agree that focusing on next year’s election provides a better opportunity to remove him from office.
“Even many who would like to impeach Trump seem to feel that beating him at the polls in 2020 is actually a better strategy for ousting him from office,” said Murray.
– Ukraine –
Although the Ukraine story has dominated the news over the past month, 11% of Americans say they haven’t heard anything about Trump’s phone call with the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy. This is down from 21% who heard nothing about it just after the news broke. Another 64% have heard a lot (up from 52% in late September) and 25% have heard a little (similar to 27%).
Seven-in-10 Americans (70%) believe that Trump probably mentioned an investigation into the Biden family during his call with Zelenskiy. This view is up from 62% in late September. Another 15% say he probably did not do this and 14% are unsure. When asked about the nature of that exchange, 52% of the public says Trump made promises or put pressure on Zelenskiy to investigate Biden, which is up slightly from 45% who said the same after the news first broke. Another 22% believe he did not do this, which is similar to 20% in late September. However, there have been some shifts within partisan groups. Among Republicans, just 14% say Trump made promises or put pressure on Zelenskiy (nearly identical to 16% in late September), but 44% say he did not (which is up from 35% just after the news broke). Among Democrats, 91% say Trump did this and just 2% say he did not (compared with 78% and 6%, respectively, in late September).
“Whether you feel that Trump’s request was appropriate or not, the conversation clearly involved some form of quid pro quo based on statements directly from the White House. Still, the president’s partisan supporters have become more likely to deny it even happened. This really shouldn’t be unexpected, though, given what we have seen about deepening partisan tribalism in public opinion over the past few years,” said Murray.
This partisan split in opinion also applies to the involvement of the president’s advisers. Overall, 45% of the public thinks that other members of the Trump administration made promises or put pressure on Zelenskiy to investigate Biden, while 34% say they did not. Among Republicans, 10% say other members of the administration did this and 66% say they did not. Among Democrats, the results are 77% did and 10% did not. The poll also finds that a majority of Americans (54%) believe that Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal attorney, was representing Trump’s wishes when he met with Ukrainian officials about the investigation, while 25% say Giuliani was acting on his own. Among Republicans, 26% say Giuliani was representing the president and 41% say he was acting on his own. Among Democrats, 82% say Giuliani was representing the president and 12% say he was acting on his own.
– Congressional ratings –
The Monmouth University Poll also finds there has been little movement in the rating of Congress or its leadership. Currently, 23% of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing and 64% disapprove. This rating stood at 21% approve and 68% disapprove in September. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi earns a 31% approve and 45% disapprove job rating, with 24% having no opinion. This is similar to her rating of 34% approve and 45% disapprove in January 2019, the last time Monmouth asked about congressional leaders. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell earns a 15% approve and 39% disapprove rating, with 46% having no opinion. This is similar to his January 2019 rating of 15% approve and 40% disapprove.
The Monmouth University Poll was conducted by telephone from October 30 to November 3, 2019 with 908 adults in the United States. The question results in this release have a margin of error of +/- 3.3 percentage points. The poll was conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute in West Long Branch, NJ.
(question-by-question break down not included - see the above link)
More at the link.Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, acknowledged telling an aide to Ukraine's president that U.S. military aid was tied to a public statement of "corruption" from Kyiv, according to a supplemental statement from Sondland that was part of a transcript released Tuesday of the envoy's closed-door deposition Oct. 17 before congressional investigators.
President Trump, through a pressure campaign led by his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, wanted Ukraine to investigate debunked conspiracy theories related to the 2016 election and the actions of former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, which the president and his supporters say amount to corruption.
"I said that resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks," Sondland writes, noting that he now recalls a Sept. 1 meeting in which he told that to an aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.
That conversation followed a meeting between Vice President Pence and Zelenskiy, "in which President Zelensky had raised the issue of the suspension of U.S. aid to Ukraine directly with Vice President Pence," Sondland notes.
The pressure campaign evolved over time, Sondland said, questioning its legality.
"It kept-- it kept getting more insidious as timeline went on," Sondland said, "and back in July, it was all about just corruption."
Congressional investigators on Tuesday released the transcripts of key players in the Ukraine affair and Trump's impeachment inquiry — Sondland and Kurt Volker, the former U.S. special envoy to Ukraine. (Read the full transcripts here and here.)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-to-cultivate-trump-from-the-start/ar-AAJOaonInside Ukraine’s Push to Cultivate Trump From the Start
WASHINGTON — Long before a telephone call with Ukraine’s president that prompted an impeachment inquiry, President Trump was exchanging political favors with a different Ukrainian leader, who desperately sought American help for his country’s struggle against Russian aggression.
Petro O. Poroshenko, Ukraine’s president until May, waged an elaborate campaign to win over Mr. Trump at a time when advisers had convinced Mr. Trump that Ukraine was a nest of Hillary Clinton supporters.
Mr. Poroshenko’s campaign included trade deals that were politically expedient for Mr. Trump, meetings with Rudolph W. Giuliani, the freezing of potentially damaging criminal cases and attempts to use the former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort as a back channel.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50310695Trump envoy Gordon Sondland revises testimony on Ukraine aid
Gordon Sondland says he now remembers telling a Ukrainian official that US military aid "likely" hinged on a political inquiry sought by Mr Trump.
The US envoy previously denied any politically motivated aid freeze.
I just didn't want to go "Kick him while he's down why don't you?" I didn't think he was deliberately being a dick then. I do now, but I suppose I expected a bit too much from the Trump thread.That sounds like capitulation. Now if Trump would do the same.
Standing beside an approving Donald Trump at a rally in Kentucky on Monday night, Republican Sen. Rand Paul demanded the media unmask the whistleblower whose report about the president’s alleged abuse of power dealing with Ukraine sparked impeachment proceedings.
American news organizations resisted the pressure, but—in a 2019 re-play of “Russia, if you’re listening”—Kremlin-controlled state media promptly jumped on it.
Very quickly after Sen. Paul tweeted out an article that speculated in considerable detail about the identity of the whistleblower—with a photograph, a name, and details about the purported political history of a CIA professional—Russian state media quickly followed suit.
As if on cue, the Kremlin-controlled heavy hitters—TASS, RT, Rossiya-1—disseminated the same information. But unlike Rand Paul, one of the Russian state media outlets didn’t seem to find the source—Real Clear Investigations—to be particularly impressive, and claimed falsely that the material was published originally by The Washington Post.
This was the most egregious, but certainly not the only example of Kremlin-funded media cheerleading for Trump’s fight against impeachment as proceedings against him unfold with growing speed. As a chorus of talking heads on Fox News have picked up on Trump’s talking points, which is predictable—they’ve also been echoed across the pond, albeit with a tinge of irony.