- Apr 2, 2007
- No, sleep, till, BROOKLYN
- 11 Xterra Pro-4x, 12 'stang GT
Got it, and yes anti-abortion arguments don't have to be religious.Yes, but he gave a non-religious reason to be against abortion.
They were banned for a period.
I mentioned them as an example of a non religious anti-abortion prohibition. In the USSR's case, it had to do with so many people having died as a result of Communist policies. The prohibition happened not long after the Ukrainian famine (the one where the Party told people not to eat their children. Go Marxism!).
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Yep it is all arbitrary, however the idea of human only after birth is neither religious nor scientific, a purely scientific view would be "minimal viable fetus" but as you correctly point out it's a moving goal post.From my post, it should have been clear that I was referring to the belief that it's not a human being until it's born. It is that belief that seems more in line with religion than science from my perspective. Most people don't believe that though. Even someone like Hitchens didn't buy into it. So when does the cluster of cells become a human life? That's the part that I find a bit wishy washy. Lots of arbitrary distinctions and moving goal posts due to advances in science.
However the religious argument here is that if it has a soul it's a human and the believe is of course that a fetus has a soul from the beginning.
Problem with the whole morality angle is that it gets very muddled up because it is also immoral to tell someone what to do with their body and a fetus is part of a mother's body until the umbilical is cut.I don't disagree, but this isn't about money so much as morality. We could extend abortions after birth, for social burden reasons, but that would be murder, which is the crux of the whole issue regarding abortion.
Also morality is very subjective to societies, what our society considers moral is not necessarily what others would, even within our society morality is not an absolute as some groups have different moral compass from others.
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I think it's necessary, esp when it comes to Prius driversDebates about abortion. Sounds like my highschool debate 'class'.
Next up, euthanasia !