The Trump Presidency - how I stopped worrying and learned to love the Hair

Would it make you feel better if he just used facist or facism?

The only fascist state most people are aware of is Nazi Germany. They are the poster child for it. Most aren't going to think of Franco's Spain or the Ba'ath Party states. And that comparison wouldn't work in those cases either as neither tried to divide and conquer the US.

The Soviet Union did attempt to create insurrection during the Stalinist period, but those failed.
 
Momentum made a note of Mattis being a four star general, I was showing that the appeal to authority was invalid by giving examples of crazy shit suggested by previous four/five star generals.

That is a comparison with a lot of baggage attached to it, which is why it should be avoided. It's used to bring about an emotional reaction.
Yes, it does have a lot of baggage. It's not a simple appeal to authority, Mattis has extensive experience in leadership; there is a difference between an appeal to authority and someone being an actual authority. An appeal to authority would be someone who claims to speak for a group because they are a part of that group; I don't say "As a gun owner..." and speak on behalf of all gun owners, or my personal favorite, "As a mother..." Mattis is not only an experienced leader, as a result of his rank he has worked closely with elected officials for much of his career and was the Defense Secretary. It's not an appeal to authority and more than it is for Fauci to say that he's a doctor with a specialty in immunology and experience leading large departments; just because other doctors have recommended leeches doesn't mean Fauci should be dismissed.
 
Malcolm Nance: ‘This Is A Time For Us To Speak Up'

 
Yes, it does have a lot of baggage. It's not a simple appeal to authority, Mattis has extensive experience in leadership; there is a difference between an appeal to authority and someone being an actual authority. An appeal to authority would be someone who claims to speak for a group because they are a part of that group; I don't say "As a gun owner..." and speak on behalf of all gun owners, or my personal favorite, "As a mother..." Mattis is not only an experienced leader, as a result of his rank he has worked closely with elected officials for much of his career and was the Defense Secretary. It's not an appeal to authority and more than it is for Fauci to say that he's a doctor with a specialty in immunology and experience leading large departments; just because other doctors have recommended leeches doesn't mean Fauci should be dismissed.

The issue I have is Mattis using an inappropriate analogy. Good leaders bring people together, poor ones equate people to Nazis.
 
If the shoe fits. The President is the one who is supposed to be the voice of unifying calm in these situations, Mattis is accurately saying that tactics attempted by the Nazis to undermine and divide the US are now the same tactics used by Trump. This isn't hyperbole, it's a verifiable fact. The fact that Trump has previously been compared to the Nazis because of his rhetoric supporting Neo-Nazis, quoting Neo-Nazi phrases, and minimizing or excusing the actions of Neo-Nazis is irrelevant here. If we look at this another way and examine the armored offensive into Iraq around the fixed fortifications along the Kuwait border and how it compares to the Nazi swing around the Maginot Line and into France - we are not saying the US Military are Nazis simply because the battle plan is mirror of the Nazi push into France.

Trump is a supporter of the Alt-Right/Neo Nazis, but for entirely different reasons.
 
We're just going to run in circles here. I prefer the Daryl Davis approach of reaching out to people, not fueling the flames. You aren't going to convince people to not vote for Trump by calling him a Nazi. I'm seeing little attempt here to convince people who disagree.

Engage with people you disagree with in a friendly manner and you'll help your cause.

Anyway, there were a couple moments here where I became a bit snarky. So I'm leaving this thread for now.
 
 
Do you remember the wall. It seems so long ago...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...d40e5e-a66e-11ea-8681-7d471bf20207_story.html

People are sawing through and climbing over Trump’s border wall. Now contractors are being asked for ideas to make it less vulnerable.


U.S. Customs and Border Protection has asked contractors for help making President Trump’s border wall more difficult to climb over and cut through, an acknowledgment that the design currently being installed along hundreds of miles of the U.S.-Mexico boundary remains vulnerable.
The notice of the request for information that CBP posted gives federal contractors until June 12 to suggest new anti-breaching and anti-climbing technology and tools, while also inviting proposals for “private party construction” that would allow investors and activists to acquire land, build a barrier on it and sell the whole thing to the government.
Trump continues to campaign for reelection on a promise to complete nearly 500 miles of new barrier along the border with Mexico by the end of 2020, but administration officials have scaled back that goal in recent weeks. The president has ceased promoting the $15 billion barrier as “impenetrable” in the months since The Washington Post reported that smuggling crews have been cutting through new sections of the structure using inexpensive power tools.

“This is the most sophisticated border wall system we have ever built, but we will never disregard innovative and creative ideas that could continue to enhance border barriers,” CBP said.
Trump is expected to attend a ceremony in Yuma, Ariz., next week to mark the completion of the barrier’s 200th mile, according to officials who were not authorized to describe the plans.

CBP has not said publicly how often smuggling crews have breached or attempted to breach the structure. Records obtained by The Post via the Freedom of Information Act indicate there were 18 breaches in the San Diego area during a one-month period last fall. The San Diego area has some of the most formidable barriers along the entire border, and construction of new double-layer fencing there is largely complete.

Smuggling crews have nonetheless managed to saw through the steel bollards using commercially available demolition tools such as reciprocating saws with inexpensive metal-cutting blades. Others have fashioned long, improvised ladders out of cheap rebar. More-athletic fence jumpers have been seen using rope ladders to climb up the barrier, sliding down the other side by gripping a bollard like a firehouse pole.

The CBP’s request for information says the agency is looking for new ways to stop the breaches.
“Customs and Border Protection (CBP) recognizes that industry, other agencies, and other private entities may have interesting, innovative, and useful ideas that could be implemented to enhance and or improve mission essential operational deterrent capabilities related to the anti-climb/anti-cut features of the border wall and persistent impedance,” it reads.

Such proposals could include sensors and cameras that would provide early warning of climbing and breaching attempts, as well as “advanced paint technology that would enhance the ability of thermal sensors to recognize wall jumpers and improve detection.”
Trump maintains a keen interest in the aesthetics and design elements of the barrier, and his shifting preferences have repeatedly left border officials and military engineers struggling to adjust his tastes to the operational and geographic realities of the U.S.-Mexico border.
In recent weeks, the president has once more insisted that the barrier should be painted black, telling aides it will absorb more heat from the sun and deter climbing by scalding the hands of would-be fence jumpers. The black paint will drive up construction costs by at least $500 million, according to government estimates, and skeptics have pointed out that the black paint would increase maintenance costs. In addition, climbers could simply use gloves to protect their hands.

The language in the CBP request for information about “private party construction” appears specifically geared to the efforts of the group We Build the Wall, which is led by former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon and other prominent conservative activists, including U.S. Senate candidate Kris Kobach of Kansas.

The group says it has raised or received $25 million in donations to build new barriers on private land. The CBP request appears to be the first indication that the government is considering mechanisms to obtain and incorporate those new sections of privately built barrier into Trump’s broader effort.
“CBP recognizes that private entities and nongovernmental organizations also have an interest in supporting the mission of border protection, by deploying private wall solutions,” the CBP notice states. “Mainly, those parties that can arrange private financing, and private acquisition of land, may have an interest in devising a wall structure that is consistent with government specifications.”
The CBP request also identifies 30 stretches of border totaling roughly 250 miles where private barriers could be built for sale to the government.

We Build the Wall has completed at least two sections of private barriers in Texas, using North Dakota-based Fisher Industries to acquire the land and perform the work. The president has urged the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to give border contracts to the company, whose chief executive is a prominent GOP donor and Trump booster.
Fisher last month secured a $1.3 billion contract to install 42 miles of black-painted barriers in Arizona. The company’s first and only other award, for $400 million, is under audit by the Defense Department inspector general in a review initiated after Democrats alleged improper White House interference in the procurement process.


It seems to me that the Customs and Border Patrol have taken Trumps tacit of deny the reality, submit their own version, and continue on without answering questions about their alternate reality.



Oh, and they already told you it was a bad wall design.

 
 
 
The ever evolving story. To bad this is real life and not a movie with a nice music score.
 
The ever evolving story. To bad this is real life and not a movie with a nice music score.

Sure it does:


First 2:20 can show scenes of people getting attacked by police, the quiet part after 2:20 can have a scene of the president talking about not being nice and bringing in the military, then at about 2:50 you can bring in scenes of cops shooting tear gas and beating protestors.
 
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