The Ultimate macOS Thread

Would be lovely. Then I'd have to deal less with apple's weird quirks, could instead say NEIN kein apfelsupport!
 
Supposedly Apple won't provide Java for 10.7...

Good. Neither does Windows nor most Linux distributions and they are better for it.
 
But isn't it Apple that does the only port of Java for OSX? My internet bank service won't work without Java...
 
But isn't it Apple that does the only port of Java for OSX? My internet bank service won't work without Java...

I'm sure Oracle will provide a replacement. Apple's Java was always far behind the development of main line anyway.
 
When Steven Jobs says the App store is the "preferred method" of Software deployment on MacOS from now on, what he really means is "will be the only one, come 10.8". As this means all software will have to comply to the App store rules we all know from the iPhone, Java (and Flash, by the way) will be of no concern for Apple users for much longer.

Just some of the rules for the App store:
-no buggy or beta Apps
-no demo versions (that blatantly rules out selling Shareware on the Mac!)
-no Apps that are "not very useful or do not provide any lasting entertainment value" (to whom?)
-no "Apps that encourage excessive consumption of alcohol or illegal substances, or encourage minors to consume alcohol or smoke cigarettes" (Good bye, Duke Nukem Forever!)
-no third-party installers allowed
-no "Apps containing pornographic material" (Good bye, Duke Nukem Forever - again!)

...and there's much more:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/10/20/apple_issues_review_guidelines_for_mac_app_store.html

...that's it, il'll get a vintage big blue logo for the Kadett, move back to Linux and am off the sinking ship. This is "California ueber alles" coming true.
 
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Well damn this is rather bad, but it won't be a dealbreaker for some. I know someone who is a huge macgeek and also develops apps for himself and for clients. I should ask him what he thinks about, but as he is fully committed to his cult, he might be even like this.

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I just headed for to ifixit to see how the macbook air is built and it seems that in the 11" model there is a special kind of ssd arrangement, so upgrading seem difficult.
 
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They all have the SSD built into the circuit board so upgrading is out of the window for any part (this is how I understand it anyway).

When Steven Jobs says the App store is the "preferred method" of Software deployment on MacOS from now on, what he really means is "will be the only one, come 10.8". As this means all software will have to comply to the App store rules we all know from the iPhone, Java (and Flash, by the way) will be of no concern for Apple users for much longer.

Just some of the rules for the App store:
-no buggy or beta Apps
-no demo versions (that blatantly rules out selling Shareware on the Mac!)
-no Apps that are "not very useful or do not provide any lasting entertainment value" (to whom?)
-no "Apps that encourage excessive consumption of alcohol or illegal substances, or encourage minors to consume alcohol or smoke cigarettes" (Good bye, Duke Nukem Forever!)
-no third-party installers allowed
-no "Apps containing pornographic material" (Good bye, Duke Nukem Forever - again!)

...and there's much more:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/10/20/apple_issues_review_guidelines_for_mac_app_store.html

...that's it, il'll get a vintage big blue logo for the Kadett, move back to Linux and am off the sinking ship. This is "California ueber alles" coming true.

While I'm nervous like you about it (mostly cos I just shelled out big bucks for a 15" MBP) I find it really difficult to understand, with Apple suddenly not allowing 3rd party apps into their OS. Some big 'names' like the Adobe Suite might not even be accepted if you look at the requirements for the AppStore. Most professionals who use Macs also use this Adobe software. It would be complete suicuide.
 
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It is not about Apple not allowing third party Apps. It's about Apple deciding which third party Apps you might use.

As it is up to Apple and only Apple to decide what gets into the App store and what does not, the obvious popular choices like Adobe CS, M$ Office and StuffIt Expander will be allowed to the App store even if the break the rules.
Other not-so-widely-popular, yet beloved software like VLC or OpenOffice might be getting kicked out of the window.

"Apps that download other standalone apps will be rejected.", by the way, gives Apple all reasons it needs to ban any bittorrent client. They can't ban FTP, though, cause their web developer customer base would kill them.
 
I don't really get how confident you can be about this. They would lose a huge costumer base.
 
I don't really get how confident you can be about this. They would lose a huge costumer base.

People, including myself, said the same thing about Apple switching to Intel back in the day.

But there's hope for all of us: Linux runs brilliantly on Apple hardware, so your MBP still is a good investment.
 
People, including myself, said the same thing about Apple switching to Intel back in the day.

But there's hope for all of us: Linux runs brilliantly on Apple hardware, so your MBP still is a good investment.

Switching to Intel only meant applications had to be re-written, no? I didn't care much for Apple back then so can't say anything about that.

I've used Windows pretty much all my life. Been playing about with Linux a fair bit but I don't think it could be my main OS because when you get a problem you'll never find someone that actually knows the solution AND can be bothered to help you. In my experience most people in the 'Linux community' goes "haha, you don't know that? figure it out yourself".

I'm trying my best to learn OSX but if Apple are going to take an iron fist around the user experience I'm jumping the boat.
 
When Steven Jobs says the App store is the "preferred method" of Software deployment on MacOS from now on, what he really means is "will be the only one, come 10.8". As this means all software will have to comply to the App store rules we all know from the iPhone, Java (and Flash, by the way) will be of no concern for Apple users for much longer.

Just some of the rules for the App store:
-no buggy or beta Apps
-no demo versions (that blatantly rules out selling Shareware on the Mac!)
-no Apps that are "not very useful or do not provide any lasting entertainment value" (to whom?)
-no "Apps that encourage excessive consumption of alcohol or illegal substances, or encourage minors to consume alcohol or smoke cigarettes" (Good bye, Duke Nukem Forever!)
-no third-party installers allowed
-no "Apps containing pornographic material" (Good bye, Duke Nukem Forever - again!)

...and there's much more:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/10/20/apple_issues_review_guidelines_for_mac_app_store.html

...that's it, il'll get a vintage big blue logo for the Kadett, move back to Linux and am off the sinking ship. This is "California ueber alles" coming true.

Don't forget that Apple makes 30% profit on every App sold. That's big incentive to make it exclusive...

Still, we can only wait and see. I'm split 50/50 on whether this might actually happen someday.
 
Again I don't see Apple banning none App Store apps. Just as they don't ban music not purchased from the iTunes store. This is just another revenue stream.
 
In the short term, they won't ban other ways to acquire applications, but in the long term osx seems to be heading towards a closed system.
 
I can still play any music I have acquired outside of the music store in iTunes. In fact I can even play purchased music on any AAC compatible player (pretty much everything now). To me the App Store looks a lot like Debian's Apt Get. You can download a whole host of apps from it, but still install stuff outside (yes Apt Get allows for third party sources, but most people don't use them).

Here is what I believe Apple's logic is.
We are making a lot of cash from the App Store. Developers love it because it promotes their apps and is a cheap distribution medium (yes 30% is cheap, for most software sales that figure is closer to 90% due to advertisement and sales infrastructure). Why don't we add that to Mac OS X?
 
I can still play any music I have acquired outside of the music store in iTunes. In fact I can even play purchased music on any AAC compatible player (pretty much everything now). To me the App Store looks a lot like Debian's Apt Get. You can download a whole host of apps from it, but still install stuff outside (yes Apt Get allows for third party sources, but most people don't use them).

Here is what I believe Apple's logic is.
We are making a lot of cash from the App Store. Developers love it because it promotes their apps and is a cheap distribution medium (yes 30% is cheap, for most software sales that figure is closer to 90% due to advertisement and sales infrastructure). Why don't we add that to Mac OS X?

As-is you're exactly right. Let's just hope that doesn't change. Apple has explicitly stated that they are making the OS more like the iPad.

The current Apple store rules ban Steam, by the way, which just made a big surge in Mac support.
 
Steam in of itself is a software distribution system. Why would we need one inside of another? Just use both separately.
 
I expect the apps that DO make it into the app store will shoot up in price and not be downloadable anywhere else :/
I probably won't buy another mac if they do this because I refuse to give a company like that money no matter how much better the hardware is.
 
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