Top Gear 3 set for USA show

LoneWolf

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 27, 2005
Messages
523
The MKII they brought in Shelby, though how much he and his shop were involved I don't know. But it was Shelby who wanted the 427 put in the car and a transmission to back it up.

The MKIII was the road car for homologation purposes.

And as you said MKIV was almost entirely American (still had most of the old body work).

8)

I'm wading a little out of my depth here (American car history isn't my speciality), but wasn't the MkII (GT-40 that is) still in the UK during development? And as I understand it, MkIII's are usually ignored since they were never racing cars and largely irrelevant (at least among most fans, as far as I can tell).
 

thedguy

rides with Rebecca Black.. in the back
Joined
Jun 18, 2004
Messages
9,006
Location
Orange California
Car(s)
(OO=[][]=OO)
I've learned more about the GT-40 than I cared too in the past few days (I only cared because of everyone denying any American involvement in the project). From what I gather (from sources other than wikipedia) the MKII which won the '66 Le Mans was pretty much British, but as I mentioned before, Ford brought in Shelby but to what extent he and his shop were involved are details I haven't really looked into.

The MKII was looked down upon by the US because it was thought of as a European victory, so might as well have just been another Ferrari or Porsche win for all we cared. This is why the MKIV was a total US effort, Henry II wanted a victory the American's could be proud of. And I still don't really care, cause it's a Ford :p

And yes, the MKIII was nothing more than the street car/homologation special. I'm sure they are worth a pretty penny, but not to the extent the racing cars are.
 

Cobol74

Forum Addict
Joined
Mar 21, 2006
Messages
17,506
Location
The banana republic of Ukania
Car(s)
Honda Accord 2.2 i-Dtec Sport Estate.Hyundai Ix20
Do you know that H Ford protested his own cars when the UK ones beat the US ones in qualifying at Le Mans? And that so incensed the UK teams drivers that on the first lap an old UK Ford came belting around (before team orders could be given) winning the first lap by quite some time. The Mk 4s won by miles at the end of the day of course.
 

thedguy

rides with Rebecca Black.. in the back
Joined
Jun 18, 2004
Messages
9,006
Location
Orange California
Car(s)
(OO=[][]=OO)
I never heard that one.

Another one that I heard is rather interesting though...

In '66 Ken Miles was robbed of his first place victory and the honor of being the only person to have won Sebring, Daytona, and Le Mans in the same year. Team orders wanted meant the cars had to come across at the same time. Since the 2nd place car started further back, it covered a slightly further distance and they took the win.
 
Last edited:

jetsetter

Forum Addict
Joined
Dec 11, 2005
Messages
7,257
Location
Seren?sima Rep?blica de California
Car(s)
1997 BMW 528i
My basic mentality is somewhat different. Ford is American, the GT-40 was a Ford.
 

Peter3hg

Forum Addict
Joined
May 3, 2006
Messages
5,949
Location
Manchester, UK
Car(s)
Audi A3 1.4 TFSI Honda Hornet CB600S
My basic mentality is somewhat different. Ford is American, the GT-40 was a Ford.

The MKI and MKII were never Fords, they were Ford Advanced Vehicles which was a British company. I don't agree with that mentality anyway for some cars. For example I would never think of a Ford Ka as being an American car.
 

jetsetter

Forum Addict
Joined
Dec 11, 2005
Messages
7,257
Location
Seren?sima Rep?blica de California
Car(s)
1997 BMW 528i
As long as Ford pays the bills it is a Ford.
 

jetsetter

Forum Addict
Joined
Dec 11, 2005
Messages
7,257
Location
Seren?sima Rep?blica de California
Car(s)
1997 BMW 528i
A Ford Mondeo, Ka, Typhoon/Falcon, or Ute are not "American." Hell other than one or 2 test mules, they haven't even seen US soil.

It's all in the same family.
 

thedguy

rides with Rebecca Black.. in the back
Joined
Jun 18, 2004
Messages
9,006
Location
Orange California
Car(s)
(OO=[][]=OO)
Not really. Ford Aus and Ford Europe operate with quite a bit of autonomy from Ford US. In fact, from what I've heard, Ford Aus basically just sends Ford US a check.

Meh. Stupid thing to go on about.
 

LoneWolf

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 27, 2005
Messages
523
As long as Ford pays the bills it is a Ford.

Writing cheques is easy. Having talent to design and build cutting edge performance cars is much harder.

I have a lot of respect for the engineers who've built some of my fave cars. I can't say the same for the fat cats in suits who reap the benefits of their hard work.

You're thinking is flawed.
 

Roberto

Active Member
Joined
Apr 22, 2006
Messages
144
Location
Abroad in Oz
Car(s)
In between cars
It's all in the same family.

Ford employs more people in Europe than in America :lol: Ford Ka, Falcon and Ute are most certainly not American or part of "the family" as they are managed in completely different portfolios it seems! However, it isn't surprising to see an American try and claim everything ( I once heard that an American thought Adam & Eve were born in down town Chicago :lol:)

thedguy is right, it is a stupid thing to go on about, but not suprising :rolleyes:
 
Top