U.S. / Pirate standoff intensifies

Cowboy said:
Is that civilised? certainly not, then again thats something I don't claim to be anyway....
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Somehow the same as with the CIA torture/waterboarding debate: We can't claim superiority on moral grounds (which we do, if we say they are doing something wrong when attacking our merchant vessels) if we behave like them. We have to play by our rules, even if they don't, that's what makes us mighty in the long run.
 
I don't clame to have moral superiority.... therefore i'm not saying that there doing something moraly wrong with attacking our ships...

I'm just saying they should keep their paws off what's ours,and leave our crews alone,....and if they don't they should suffer the consequences, period.

When a burglar comes in to your house at night? do you start thinking about morales and that what he is doing is morally wrong? NO! you think about protecting your family and posessions! exactly what we should be doing here... instead of triying to obtain a moral highground.

We don't have to be better then them, we just have to protect our own...
 
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Dr_Grip said:
Somehow the same as with the CIA torture/waterboarding debate: We can't claim superiority on moral grounds (which we do, if we say they are doing something wrong when attacking our merchant vessels) if we behave like them. We have to play by our rules, even if they don't, that's what makes us mighty in the long run.
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THIS!

They take a ship for ransom and you carpet-bomb a city... right, that makes sense. If we are to be leaders in this world we must always take the moral high ground, even if it costs more or hurts us right now we simply must be above that kind of behavior. Period.

Cowboy said:
I don't clame to have moral superiority.... therefore i'm not saying that there doing something moraly wrong with attacking our ships...

I'm just saying they should keep their paws off what's ours,and leave our crews alone,....and if they don't they should suffer the consequences, period.

When a burglar comes in to your house at night? do you start thinking about morales and that what he is doing is morally wrong? NO! you think about protecting your family and posessions! exactly what we should be doing here... instead of triying to obtain a moral highground.
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Fallacy. When someone breaks into my house I will defend myself against that person directly. If someone breaks into my house and steals my TV I don't burn down their entire apartment building or block. I have no problem shooting the terrorists to save the life of the hostages, but why the hell do you want to punish the neighbors of the criminals?
 
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^This.

And it's revenge thinking that gets us into trouble in the first place, often.
 
FATMOUSE said:
^This.

And it's revenge thinking that gets us into trouble in the first place, often.
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Clearly, the only way to stop the conflict is fight fire with fire.
If the pirates like to pretend they are fishermen ... and secretly hide RPGs on their boats, I think some of the other nations' navy personnel can pretend to be recreational divers ... and secretly hide explosive charges under their oxygen tanks.

If pirates can fight guerrilla warfare where they stay at a distance from other vessels with larger ships then deploy smaller ships to attack when others least expect it, the navies can keep their large ships at a reasonable distance from the ports known to harbor pirates and deploy small ships of "recreational divers" to approach the coast, dive at nighttime and blow holes in the hulls of pirate ships in their own ports when they least expect it.

The pirates will have no more ships to go out and pillage and no one will be the wiser as to who is responsible. Sure, they still have booty from their other missions and will buy new ships ... so you sink those ships as well. Basically you starve their funding until the only thing they can do is hurl stones at passing ships because they can't afford RPGs and AK47s. Much more humane, no pirates get hurt and little violence is involved. If they can be sneaky and involve guerrilla tactics, so should their adversaries.
 
toma_alimosh said:
Clearly, the only way to stop the conflict is fight fire with fire.
If the pirates like to pretend they are fishermen ... and secretly hide RPGs on their boats, I think some of the other nations' navy personnel can pretend to be recreational divers ... and secretly hide explosive charges under their oxygen tanks.

If pirates can fight guerrilla warfare where they stay at a distance from other vessels with larger ships then deploy smaller ships to attack when others least expect it, the navies can keep their large ships at a reasonable distance from the ports known to harbor pirates and deploy small ships of "recreational divers" to approach the coast, dive at nighttime and blow holes in the hulls of pirate ships in their own ports when they least expect it.

The pirates will have no more ships to go out and pillage and no one will be the wiser as to who is responsible. Sure, they still have booty from their other missions and will buy new ships ... so you sink those ships as well. Basically you starve their funding until the only thing they can do is hurl stones at passing ships because they can't afford RPGs and AK47s. Much more humane, no pirates get hurt and little violence is involved. If they can be sneaky and involve guerrilla tactics, so should their adversaries.
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There are no less than four post dedicated to the question why "if they do, we do..." is not a working argument and leads to even more trouble on a even larger scale right above yours. Please read them.
 
"clear"

LOL
 
Cowboy said:
there holding a Belgian dredgingship as we speak....our military has sent 4 'specialists'....god.....those poor people on that ship are as good as dead if we don't get international help.....

I just don't get this....they know the harbors these pirates launch from.....just send a battlegroup! have ships form convoys escorted by frigates like they did in WWII for starters.
And bomd the living crap out of those porttowns! I know its foreing soil.....but its africa for crists sake....just bribe the president/dictator-for-the-week with a Bentley and he will gladley look the other way...

Ar we gonna let a bunch of criminals in rubber rafts make a fool of us? and prey on our shipping? indanger our crews? where the western world for crying out loud! bloody act like it!
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Blind_Io said:
For the same reason the US didn't carpet-bomb Baghdad. A few people hiding among many are causing this problem. Killing the entire population will certainly kill these pirates, but it won't do much to solve the problem in the long run
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Cowboy said:
It would send a message not to fuck with us for one....

But I agree innocent casualties would be unexeptable, so carpet bombing is out.....but we have sattelite imagery? can't be to hard to find out the strongholds of these bastards...find em, kill em...send a clear signal to everyone looking for easy money from our shipping....
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Cowboy said:
glad you agree :mrgreen:

let me guess? you would like to negotiate with these criminals? help them enhance their economy so they can grow farms and swap theire kalashnikofs for plows , cradle them with left wing softieness, and together make the world a better place :) ?

guess what.... not gonna help shit, scum like this only understands one language....
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Anytime I see someone starting to spout off about how only Americans are stupid with regards to international anything I will gladly point them to this series of posts.
 
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