UK Cops hate Honda Drivers, find excuse to blow one up in London

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In all fairness there are a hell of a lot of places you can hide a bomb in a car, it's not going to be like a case with where tell-tale wires, smells or anything like that are quite so obvious. Wouldn't there also be a high risk that if indeed there was a bomb inside that opening the car up for a more detailed inspection could trigger it? I'd imagine that as there would be absolutely no way to find exactly where the explosives were without endangering themselves they'd have to use a far less precise method to make sure that everything was immobilised. I very much doubt even with a "controlled explosion" they would want to set off a car bomb as all they'd have control of is when the bomb went off and not the damage it would do.

It's all too easy to look at this after the event occurred and criticise, they must have had a damn good reason to carry this out otherwise they wouldn't have bothered. Blowing up a car is hardly an everyday occurrence is it?
 
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If opening the car can trigger the bomb, a controlled explosion can't?

Your own link claims the proper 'disruption' requires locating the bomb and identifying the correct component to disrupt.

If you can hide it anywhere, how can you know your small controlled explosion is disrupting the trigger? It could set off the trigger, or ignite the explosives themselves if you have no idea where the bomb is.
 

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Well, as I'm no expert on bombs, bomb making, bomb disposal or even for that matter Honda Civics I can't answer that. What I will repeat is that I really can't see the police using any kind of method to set the device off in the middle of London, they're the experts on this not us. You don't send a normal police officer in to defuse or disable a bomb, you send experts in.
 

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Well, as I'm no expert on bombs, bomb making, bomb disposal or even for that matter Honda Civics I can't answer that. What I will repeat is that I really can't see the police using any kind of method to set the device off in the middle of London, they're the experts on this not us.
You're right, we're not the experts, which makes it even more alarming that the actual "experts" tried to diffuse a non-existent bomb in the middle of London by blowing it up. Twice. Even us dumb Americans know that's probably not the way to handle things.

I was wondering when I was going to get anon -rep'd in this thread, too. Took you guys long enough. ;)
 
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I always sign my reputation positive or negative, opinions are only opinions. I did a bit of searching about this and really couldn't find much more information than is in the first post. You would have thought the police blowing up a car, twice would make bigger news but it didn't. I for one question am wondering how accurate this article really is. Not that newspapers ever bend the truth or anything... :p.
 

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You're right, we're not the experts, which makes it even more alarming that the actual "experts" tried to diffuse a non-existent bomb in the middle of London by blowing it up. Twice. Even us dumb Americans know that's probably not the way to handle things.

So how do you think Americans try and dispose of suspect packages? You need to realise that having to perform controlled explosions on devices has been relatively common in this country for years, due largely to the threat of the IRA (and its offshoots). Due to this, our bomb disposal experts are almost certainly the best in the world, and we produce most of the specialised bomb disposal equipment.
Find me some examples where bombs of gone off in the UK due to mistakes made by the bomb disposal experts.
If the bomb experts decided that this was the best course of action, then I am far more inclined to believe them than some people on the internet who don't know all the circumstances or have any knowledge whatsoever about bomb disposal.


I always sign my reputation positive or negative, opinions are only opinions. I did a bit of searching about this and really couldn't find much more information than is in the first post. You would have thought the police blowing up a car, twice would make bigger news but it didn't. I for one question am wondering how accurate this article really is. Not that newspapers ever bend the truth or anything... :p.

The story is definitely true. The Times and Telegraph also have the story, although they only have the same facts as the original story from the local paper and they are really only reporting it as a non-significant event.
 
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So how do you think Americans try and dispose of suspect packages? You need to realise that having to perform controlled explosions on devices has been relatively common in this country for years, due largely to the threat of the IRA (and its offshoots). Due to this, our bomb disposal experts are almost certainly the best in the world, and we produce most of the specialised bomb disposal equipment.
I keep hearing that in response to anybody's criticism to how this was handled, and it's getting to be a little frightening, to be honest; "our <whatever> are the best in the world". Does that actually mean that they can't ever make mistakes? Does that mean that they never act hastily toward a situation?

Find me some examples where bombs of gone off in the UK due to mistakes made by the bomb disposal experts.
Relax. Nobody is saying that, as a whole, your guys' bomb disposal experts suck. We're all saying that in this instance, the evidence presented combined with the lack of any other information from the police, says that this was an irrational response to some guy running from a hastily parked car.

If the bomb experts decided that this was the best course of action, then I am far more inclined to believe them than some people on the internet who don't know all the circumstances or have any knowledge whatsoever about bomb disposal.
Well, I'm going by every single other bomb disposal I've ever seen or heard of, and common sense. Regardless of "some people on the internet" status, we "people" are asking questions that absolutely should be asked:

- How did they determine that the car, in fact, had a bomb in the first place?

- How did they determine that the type of bomb being used could be disarmed by a "controlled explosion"?

- How did they determine that it would be safe to carry out a "controlled explosion" in the middle of London?

Why aren't these questions being asked by you Brits, and are actually being blindly defended with "they're the best in the world, surely they did the right thing"?

I always sign my reputation positive or negative, opinions are only opinions.
All good. :yes:
 
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So terrorist obeying the laws of the road are fine? :mrgreen:

I'm pretty sure that was on one of the early episodes. "Bin Laden" was in a car obeying the speed limit and he was fine, but someone's grandmother was doing 35 in a 30 zone so she got nicked.
 

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- How did they determine that the car, in fact, had a bomb in the first place?

- How did they determine that the type of bomb being used could be disarmed by a "controlled explosion"?

- How did they determine that it would be safe to carry out a "controlled explosion" in the middle of London?


All good. :yes:

Who knows. They had all the facts, we don't and probably never will. The papers clearly don't find it shocking enough to get extra information and that is just about the only way the full facts will ever out.
The police never say anything beyond the simple statement they gave.
Let's leave it there shall we as all either of us can do is speculate.
 
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