I guess it will depend on what their lawyers recommend them to do. They have charged the same lawyers that defended BP in the past years after the Deepwater Horizon debacle, so I suppose there is some cleverness there...
Oh hell yeah. VW was one of the first western carmakers in China in the 80s (in addition to Citroen/Peugeot and, of all brands, Buick), and entire cities worth of taxi fleets are made up of VW Santanas (old Passats that are still being made). Most of them are gasoline cars, and the environmental message isn't a major one, but you can be sure that Chinese regulators will have their ears perked up.Do they need the Chinese market though?
Sorry, narf, you confused me.... EU taxes are CO2 dependent, but EU emissions don't care about CO2? Don't the taxes result from EU emissions regulations?
And I disagree with your first statement. Fuel economy and CO2 emissions are not the same thing, even if they are intertwined.
If VW was smart, they'd get out in front of this (on the civil and PR side) and do the following:
1) Buy back every single affected car at original MSRP/what the buyer paid for it. On the condition, of course, that they sign a release agreeing that they can't sue.
4) Dump all the relevant emails into the public domain, because you know they have them. Name names, publicly. Fire everyone responsible, right down to whatever low-level engineering idiot thought this was a good idea - publicly. Hand over the evidence to the US authorities, publicly.
Sadly, they're probably not smart enough to do this.
Is there anyone who would buy a "fixed" TDI if resold for cheap?
I'd be Interested, especially if they extend the powertrain warranty.
Hyundai announced a recall yesterday of nearly 500k early build last gen Sonatas due to engine issues.
They're extending the warranty on the short block of every 2011-2012 Sonata for 10 years regardless of ownership status.*
If they could do that.....the largest automaker in the world could do something similar right.
*not absolving them though....this is an issue that 11/12 Sonata owners have been dealing with for years now often having trouble getting resolved according to forum reports.
I think all this mess ought to be solved the german way. If they are not severly punished they will never learn a lesson. If people have to suffer so be it, but a lesson has to be taught so that this is not to be repeated in the future.
I agree that this would be one of the best ways to get out of fines/damages, etc. simply offering to buy back the product and give a total refund will get VW out of most of the lawsuits, because there would be no damage then, or the possibility of no damage done. Yes, the environmental damage is reality, but if it was just VW diesels cheating, it would be negligible and almost impossible to prove... After all, VW can not physically be responsible, -alone-, for the discrepancies in NOx data around the world...
That poison gasses thing HAS to be a reference to zyklon B.
Rick, consider this: If they lied about something as important and as relatively easily checked as emissions (roadside photospectrometers)... what else did they lie about? The airbags? The safety structures? The fuel tank's integrity? Do you really want to buy a product from a company that thought it was better to lie about meeting minimum requirements instead of actually meeting them?
That's the difference (and it is a HUGE one) between what VW did and Hyundai making a mistake on those Sonatas.
Are you insinuating that there might be a device or a software installed that reduces the safety or quality of the car while driving normally?
Do you know how unbelievably silly that sounds?
I don't think they'd risk safety but I guess one can never be too sure how far the deception culture has gone in a company after something like this.
We also haven't heard about Passats and Jetta's blowing up Pinto style either though.