Wanting to travel outside the US: A choice to make.

Japan, absolutely. No question. You'll get along fine, despite the language barrier. Once you figure out to say "excuse me" ("See-mah-sen" in Tokyo, "soo-mi mah-sen" elsewhere) and learn to read the katakana for "coffee" and the kanji for "exit" you're golden.

In my last job I got to travel a lot on the company dime. I spent a lot of time in Japan and it's by far my favorite destination. I miss it a lot. Here's a post from my travel journal, June 2003:

With the training complete in the afternoon on Friday I had the first of my slack time in Tokyo in the afternoon. I decided to wander a bit. I explored the areas around Otemachi and Kudanshita and did my usual circuit through Mitsukoshi.

During part of my ambling I stopped for a coffee at a Starbucks-clone shop next to the Iidabashi subway station and I was accosted on my way out the shop by an energetic, sweaty-toothed old guy in a floppy hat carrying a bag of sundries. Now, it's much more noticeable in Hiroshima than in Tokyo, but I've grown accustomed to the furtive glances and attention I get as a goateed white guy walking around alone in Japan. It's normal and expected that as I explore or ride the subway that people will curiously watch and try to figure out what I'm doing. I never feel uncomfortable when being watched, it's just a mildly unusal experience. I'd noticed this guy doing eyeing me closely as I entered the coffeeshop and again as I walked out, but I was still startled a bit when he waved his arms to get my attention and began speaking in rapid-fire Japanese that I couldn't even begin to parse.

I shot him the standard head tilt and dumbfounded shrug look, grinning apologetically, and explained that I spoke no Japanese. He paused a second, then asked what country I was from. "The United States", I replied, and he broke into a huge grin. Out came a copy of Newsweek from the depths of his bag, already folded open to an article on Bremmer's transitional administration in post-war Iraq. I got nervous, anticipating a tirade on imperialistic America or something, but he zoomed in on an passage underlined in pencil: "already the occupational forces in Baghdad number 1,800, which is more than half of Iraq's national police force."

"How many are the forces?" he asked, "Why is this 'more than half'? What number?"

So I tried my best to explain how the ratio played out, that Iraq has somewhere under 3,600 police. After a lot of gesticulating and trying different ways of expressing the concept, he got it. "But why," he continued, "do you say it this way in English?"

Yow. So I explained in about a dozen ways how it was a technique to convince the reader. To make something sound bad or good, not just saying the number plain. To make it more exciting to read.

I think he got it.

Next we moved on to other similarly-underlined passages, each time muddling through the broken communications available to us. I was part mime, part teacher, part charades-player. I explained what "tenure" meant. I pantomimed why "many have raised eyebrows at..." meant that people were skeptical. A variety of strange english phrasings that I read and take for granted which made this article inscrutable to my animated Japanese friend.

At last we made it to the end of the article, he was grinning ear to ear at his good fortune for running into a random American guy on the street who was able to explain these passages to him. We bowed at one another and I headed on down the street into the rest of my day.

I don't understand the people who travel and take pre-fab bus tours. Landmarks and museums have their place, I guess, but it's moments like this that etch themselves into my memory and give me a feel for a place. It's random, chance, and trivial encounters like this that I enjoy so much from my travel. I'll take one charismatic Japanese man with a magazine over a dozen visits to Tokyo Tower, the Imperial Palace, or a garden of cherry blossoms.

If you decide against Japan, though, I'd also suggest New Zealand instead of Australia. :)
 
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Yes, but do they make mainstream animated movies out of it? :p
Well, I wouldn?t be so sure about the "mainstream"-ness of Tentacle Porn in Japan too ...

When you see such stuff in reports or articles (another favorite are the used underwear-vending machines) ... they tend to look at the extremes, not the regulars ... Japan is a (from "our" standpoint) rather odd place with a lot that?s not familiar to us ... but I?m not sure tentacle porn is one of those things you really "encounter" there ...
 
Well, I wouldn?t be so sure about the "mainstream"-ness of Tentacle Porn in Japan too ...

When you see such stuff in reports or articles (another favorite are the used underwear-vending machines) ... they tend to look at the extremes, not the regulars ... Japan is a (from "our" standpoint) rather odd place with a lot that?s not familiar to us ... but I?m not sure tentacle porn is one of those things you really "encounter" there ...

Agreed......so lets take it down a notch : schoolgirls as sexsymbols. (and that IS mainstream) I'm sorry..........that's universaly fucked up.
 
Japanese people: They flip from being - yes sir, no sir, to Banzai and being sliced in half with granddad's sword in a moment - got to watch 'em. :)
 
Thanks for all the great input guys, keep it coming for those who wish to chime in.

+Rep to all of those who give info. I've already maxed out my allotment for the day.

As most of you are, I'm leaning toward Japan also. But, I'm still on the fence.

BTW, I have no intention of planning anything. The only structure I will have is to when to be at the airport. Beyond that, I'm just going to explore. I will look up a few spots here and there, then, head that direction. I plan on making an adventure of this.

So, I'm either going to have one of the greatest times of my life, or get stabbed. :lol:
 
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Well, you're less likely to get stabbed in japan...just less likely.:p
 
Japan for sure. I desperately want to go. However I feel that I must warn you that the Yen has been rising like crazy for the past few months so the exchange rate is really bad. The government just boosted their stimulus package so it might be better by the time you try and go, but just something to consider. That said I would still say Japan.
 
I'd go for Japan as well, just to see their culture and history (much more interesting than a continent that's like the US, but with annoying accents...:p....and lots of spiders and crocs and jellyfish and sharks...). If I were to ever go, I would take a real Karate lesson and eat some real sushi. :)
 
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Toss a coin: both places will be beautiful in March. Australia will still be quite warm as it's just the tail end of summer. There's plenty of things to do in Sydney and Melbourne and heaps wide open spaces and beautiful scenery in between. But take note of what others have said about the size: something like 80% of Australia's population live in cities dotted around the coast and there's a lot of space (and travelling time) between them.
 
Yeah, this trip won't be for a while. Probably march.

Oh March? Good time to visit Australia. Weather is just about perfect everywhere then ... and, of course in Melbourne you have this:

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March 24-27, 2011 :)
 
...another favorite are the used underwear-vending machines ... but I?m not sure tentacle porn is one of those things you really "encounter" there ...

I've never seen a panty vending machine, and that's not through lack of looking.

Agreed......so lets take it down a notch : schoolgirls as sexsymbols. (and that IS mainstream) I'm sorry..........that's universaly fucked up.

How so? Girls turn 18 in their last year of HS, the age of consent in Japan is anywhere from 13 to 18.

Those uniforms are hot.



Can you tell us how long you're going for and maybe an idea of your budget? TBoneUS is right about the exchange rate, crazy right now, but I've been surprised by how expensive Oz (especially Perth) has become the last couple of times I've been back, all those cashed up bogans. You can live cheaper in Japan if you know what you're doing.
 
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Japan wins hands down on that contest. i wouldn't mind ending up in Australia either since its a great place and has great people. But given the choice it would always be Japan, oddly enough i can't explain why but more that its just something i've wanted to do. Aside from being a anime nerd and wanting to see the 1/1 scale Gundam model or the Going Merry replica, its just the sort of place that would feel like more of a experience than just a holiday. Something that would truly stick out and be remembered for a long time.
 
I've gone to both recently. I did Tokyo in April 2009, and Sydney in August 2010. I'd say if you're looking for a trip to a country where you can spend your time seeing the sights and getting a feel for the local culture, Australia is going to be easier. If you're looking for something completely different, Tokyo is your place.

I loved both places, but I can't wait to plan a longer vacation to Australia. I was a lot more comfortable in Australia, because I knew the language and could carry on conversations with everyone, something I was less capable of doing in Tokyo. I will say though, there's something to be said for having to use sign language and pointing to get your point across. I knew no Japanese, and I was capable of getting around Tokyo, with no problems.

In short, they're both great choices, and they both should be on your list of sights to see. Tokyo is more expensive than Australia is (or at least it was when I went, due to exchange rates), but they both have their charms.

List of suggestions:

Tokyo:
See a baseball game, the game is the same, but the atmosphere in the stadium is completely different.
Wander through Shinjuku, and Akihabara
Walk through a Yodabashi Camera.

Sydney:
Taronga Zoo
Manly
The Rocks
 
March is cherry blossom season in Japan! :)


<governator>THE CHERRY BLOSSOMS ARE COMING AND THEY WANT TO TAKE MY TORTILLAS</governator>
 
I'm gonna have to jump on the Japan bandwagon here, no personal experience with either but it's higher on my own personal priority list. I guess I figure if I want to go to a foreign country, might as well make it damn foreign.
 
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