There is a difference between posting facts, and claiming that we are too busy raping you to keep the flights secure. Keeping this simple: I've been through all the screening in multiple airports. They don't grope you. They don't rape you. They don't molest you. The full-body scans don't show your genitals. And the machines work.
TSOs are trained the same way, at every class. Nearly all of them follow the training, and perform their job correctly. Those few complaints you see about improper screening are due to human error-- where the operator/TSO screws up. The agency as a whole didn't fuck up-- that PERSON did.
There are over 28,000 flights per day in the United States. Lets say with 75% capacity on all those flights, we have 1.5 million people flying per DAY. Now how many problems do you see per day about TSOs? Taking a totally random number here, but say there were 1500 complaints that day about how people feel they were treated while going through a security checkpoint, and complained to the media. While that number sounds amazingly large, that represents a 0.01% problem rate with screenings. The actual rate of problems is much less than that, so don't take that as an official number.
So what is my point? You are taking the very FEW problems that occur and blowing them out of proportion.
Also, I'm going to call bullshit on this one:
WRONG.
http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/structure/editorial_0644.shtm
http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/structure/
Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties.
I will even quote it, JUST FOR YOU;
http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/structure/editorial_0373.shtm
That is the primary agency under DHS, TSA has their own;
http://www.tsa.gov/research/civilrights/index.shtm
I originally wrote the above this morning, and after reading your additional postings today, my respect for you is gone. Calling us rapists and molesters is absolutely unacceptable. I will not reply to your deluded posts any further, and have placed you on my permanent ignore list on the forums.
so?It's unfortunate that you put me on ignore, because I would love to have a conversation with you of all people.
The office of Civil Rights looks like it oversees much more than just TSA,
and I'm still concerned over the allegations from members of the public of their complaints being ignored. So maybe TSA needs an agency that is specific to TSA that takes a more active approach to policing TSA.
Note, that I didn't call you a molester or a rapist,
https://pic.armedcats.net/b/bl/blind_io/2010/11/15/zB7xt.png
Can I get this on a shirt? Please?
I don't know how you define groping, but that qualifies for me and for most other people.
I understand your anger. There are many people who are angry at TSA over how they are treated and the lack of responsiveness regarding complaints.
I'm sorry that you feel the need to take out your frustrations regarding this issue on me, but I am not the problem and I am certainly not the only person who has these concerns. When major Child Advocacy groups are opposed to your agency's policies it might be time to reexamine whether or not they are still acting in the best interest of this nation.
Calling a group of people idiotic monkeys isn't making a fight of anything, its called being a douche.
mpicco
Did you really just compare a doctor who goes under almost 10 years of training with a TSA agent?!
Not really, I was pointing out the importance of context and intention behind actions so everyone's not throwing the words "rape" and "molest" around. Plenty of doctors have been accused of sexually abusing patients and its not an especially rare event, so how would you distinguish it if it was essentially the same kind of touching as one who was giving a particular exam? Its the intent behind the actions that are important so comparing a TSA agent to a rapist or even a train groper is just as offensive because he's just doing his job, not doing it for any of the reasons molesters and gropers do. Its a stupid and offensive argument.
As I stated above, the intent doesn't matter to the survivor of rape or assault.
Also, you aren't prohibited from leaving a doctor's office.
So you are back to the "don't fly" argument.
A child at a doctor's office is under the care of the parent who makes decisions regarding the child's health.
At a TSA checkpoint the TSA agents decide what to do to that child regardless of the parents' wishes.
The scenarios of a doctor's office and a TSA checkpoint are in no way analogous.
Doesn't stop the doctor from touching the child inappropriately. Especially if the parent is in the waiting room.
Yes they are. At least the parents can see the TSA agents and take the child away whereas the doctor can do whatever whilst the parents are in the waiting room and quell their suspicions by saying "I'm a doctor he/she is just overreacting". And stop telling people to stop with the don't fly argument just because you don't like it.
In what world is the child taken to a private doctor's office without the parent present? Not only is this incredibly unprofessional since the parent is the decision-maker and guardian, it's unethical.
I've worked in healthcare and mental health most my adult life and I have never seen this happen, either as a patient or as a provider.
See my edit. You were probably already responding when I realized my omission. I'm talking about young children, such as the ones shown in the videos that were previously posted.
I am glad that TSA has announced that kids under the age of 12 will no longer have to be physically screened for this very reason, but it still leaves the issue of adult survivors of rape and assault.
Look, I'll agree that Blind's argument for sexual crime victims is covering a minority of fliers, but he's just talking from his reality (IIRC, he is a psychologist / psychiatrist ... that lack of distinction is not an insult, just a shortage of knowledge on my part).
The 4th amendment should be reason enough, and them some, for the argument against the TSA.