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- Feb 14, 2007
- Mustang SVO - Nissan Frontier Pro-4X & Altima
I think that is a very narrow view on religious people. It might be like that for someone, but many religious people also believe in their religion because they feel that it is the most rational option.That's what being religious means in my opinion. Believing in something despite there's nothing rational to support your view at all.
Exactly. Same me. Since you can't prove if any god exist or not I'm agnostic.When the existence of God is proven, belief is no longer necessary, since you know it exists. Knowledge and belief are mutually exclusive. And I'm firmly rooted as agnostic, because of that notion.
Dammit, I was going to use that line.Probably something involving a lobotomy.
(I'm a total athiest and think religion is something left over from the middle ages..)
Living in a society, where my life or that of those I love is in danger without joining a or rather the local religion. Of course I wouldn?t believe in any of the shit ... but put my (or those around me) life and or well-being on the line, and I?d join and fake the rest.What would it take for you to [...] join a religion from an agnostic/atheist viewpoint?
I see what you mean, and kind of share your point in a way, but at the same time, feel that you can't blame a tool for the way people use it.And for the sake of their faith your antecedents oppressed others and made them suffer. Probably more recently than the opposite.
Certainly not. I'm just pointing out that if we're going to applaud Christians for suffering for their faith, we should point out that they have made others suffer for theirs. In fact, on balance, Christians have probably suffered and died for their faith far less than they have made others suffer and die for other faiths or a refusal to follow the Christian church. I'd say the Judeo-Christian faiths are the worst offenders in written history, just because they are the faiths of the Europeans, who are the ones who conquered more or less all of the rest of the world.I see what you mean, and kind of share your point in a way, but at the same time, feel that you can't blame a tool for the way people use it.
This arguement always bugs me because it's really not the religion that caused people to oppress others, but the arrogance of the humans who used religion as an excuse. The same people who would oppress one because it's God's will would gladly find another excuse to push down others. Using religion as an excuse is not the same as religion being evil, and it actually lets the assholes off the hook for being awful to their fellow people. The people who were power-hungry rat bastard popes - and there were many power-hungry rat bastard popes - would have clawed their way into power through other means if the papacy didn't exist, and would have tried to start wars, oppress others, and do dastardly things without religion behind them.And for the sake of their faith your antecedents oppressed others and made them suffer. Probably more recently than the opposite.