10 Cars That Damaged GM's Reputation (With videos at link)

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From: http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/reader_rides/4293188.html

10 Cars That Damaged GM's Reputation (With Video)

GM's current precarious situation didn't come about overnight. There are arguments to be made that various government regulations led to the disaster and that management can't escape much of the blame, and there are plenty who contend it was a series of disastrous union labor contracts that have put the company at risk. But there's one thing everyone agrees on: Over the past few decades GM put some truly terrible products out on the market. Unreliable, uninteresting and flat ugly, these were cars that simply destroyed GM's reputation. It's ironic that right now, just as it teeters near bankrupcy, GM has never had a stronger lineup of cars and trucks. From the shockingly good Chevrolet Cobalt SS, turbocharged and solid Saturn Astra, to the sweet-natured Cadillac CTS and the brilliant Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, the corporation's product portfolio is strong. But each of those cars is weighed down by the legacy of products like the ten listed here. We've arbitrarily limited ourselves to cars built since 1970 here, so don't look for the ill-fated Corvair or truly horrid 1917 Chevrolet Model D on the list.

By John Pearley Huffman
Published on: November 25, 2008

1. 1971-1977 Chevrolet Vega
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Legend has it that when Chevrolet Division Manager John DeLorean went to the GM Proving Grounds to get his first look at a prototype of the new 1971 Chevrolet Vega, the front of the car literally fell off onto the ground. But that bad omen didn't keep DeLorean from putting the Vega on the market.

Responding to increased import sales, the Vega showed up at the same time as Ford's similarly ill-fated Pinto. Both were relatively conventional cars by Detroit standards, with their four-cylinder engines in front sending power back to a solid rear axle. In fact, the only innovative thing on the Vega was the all-aluminum block around which its 2.3-liter four-cylinder engine was constructed.

Unfortunately, the art of building aluminum engine blocks was in its infancy back in 1971 and the unlined cylinder walls of Vega engines were scoring almost instantly. That led to lots of oil burned and early death for this engine. Throw in haphazard build quality and sheetmetal that you could practically hear rusting away, and the Vega truly rates as one of GM's great debacles.

But the Vega was actually a sales success. Chevy sold nearly 268,000 during the 1971 model year, over 390,000 during 1972, almost 396,000 during 1973, and over 450,000 during 1974 (sales finally collapsed during the 1975 model year). After all, its mini-Camaro looks were handsome and in an era of fuel shortages it was pretty stingy on gas. Plus, back then there were millions of buyers who insisted on buying only American products. But ultimately that meant there were just that many more people disappointed by the Vega. By the mid-1980s, Vegas were being junked so aggressively that some salvage yards in Southern California had signs up saying they wouldn't accept any more. When even the junkyard won't take a car, that's trouble

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2. 1980-1985 X-Cars
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It's hard to imagine the hoopla that surrounded the introduction of the all-new 1980 Buick Skylark, Chevrolet Citation, Oldsmobile Omega and Pontiac Phoenix in April of 1979. These four awkwardly proportioned "X-Body" front-drivers directly replaced GM's rear-drive compacts (of which the Chevy Nova was the most prominent) and promised a revolution in how the corporation designed and built cars. Chevy alone sold an incredible 811,540 Citations during that prolonged 1980 model year based on that promise. Unfortunately, the reality was that these four- and six-cylinder cars probably suffered more recalls and endemic problems than any other GM vehicle program.

The problem wasn't so much the basic engineering of the X-Body cars as it was that no one apparently spent any time doing the detailed engineering that determines a car's success. So customers complained of disintegrating transmissions, suspension systems that seemed to wobble on their own mounts, and brakes that would make the whole car shudder every time they were applied. There were so many niggling faults and a seemingly endless series of recalls that sales of the car almost tanked by its third year. Still, through 1985, a few million escaped to the public, souring hundreds of thousands on GM.

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3. 1976-1987 Chevrolet Chevette
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The Chevrolet Chevette was already outdated when it appeared in 1976. Based on GM's "T" platform, it was a primitive, front-engine, rear-drive subcompact in a small-car world that was busy being revolutionized by front-drive cars such as the Honda Civic and Accord, Volkswagen Rabbit and Ford Fiesta. It was underpowered too, originally being offered with a 1.4-liter Four making 53 hp or a 1.6-liter version of the same engine rated at 70 hp.

Chevrolet saved itself a lot of development time and money by picking up the Chevette design from GM Brazil. The Georgia-built small car was a solid sales success too, selling almost 450,000 units in 1980 alone. But it was always a car that sold strictly on price, with no real virtues of its own. And it was a huge help to Chevrolet in sneaking in under the federally mandated CAFE standards. But it also meant that for 11 years GM didn't bother developing an advanced small car specifically for the American market.

In fact, when it finally came time to replace the Chevette in 1987, what Chevrolet did was create the "Geo" sub-brand and put redecorated Isuzus and Suzukis onto the Chevette's bottom rung on the model ladder. In truth, Chevrolet has never had a homegrown vehicle in this subcompact segment since the Chevette died, and that could be one of the company's greatest missteps of all.

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4. 1982-1988 Cadillac Cimarron
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There's nothing wrong with the idea of a smaller, more athletic Cadillac. But it was a terrible idea to rebadge the Chevrolet Cavalier and attempt to pawn it off as a true Cadillac.

The compact J-Car program was already well under development at GM by the time Cadillac decided it wanted a version of its own. With little time on its hands and no desire to spend much money, what they came up with was a Cavalier with a different grille, a slightly modified interior and some hydraulic dampers between the body and front subframe. Otherwise, the 1982 Cimarron was powered by the same 1.8-liter four-cylinder engine as the Cavalier, backed by either a four-speed manual or three-speed automatic transmission.

Cadillac tried to sell the Cimarron as a domestic alternative to cars like the BMW 3 Series?that was just pathetic. Not surprisingly, practically no one fell for it and the Cimarron never sold well. But to many people, this proved that GM at the time had little regard for the storied and significant Cadillac brand.

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5. 1991-1995 Saturns
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Saturn was GM's attempt at a do-over. Starting with a fresh plant in Spring Hill, Tenn., and a fresh labor agreement in that location with the UAW, the idea was that GM would create a fresh dealer network that would sell fresh new products in a refreshingly straightforward manner. It didn't quite work out that way.

Actually GM did a rather good job of setting up the plant, dealers and "no haggle" sales schemes - Saturn buyers really did seem to enjoy shopping at and buying from Saturn dealers.

But Saturn's cars were thoroughly mediocre. Built around a steel space-frame with plastic body panels bolted on, there were gaps between the panels big enough to stick a hand through. Yes, the plastic panels were resistant to collision damage, but they discolored and faded quickly, and as they aged, they cracked. Beyond that, the first Saturns had four-cylinder engines that sounded like threshing machines but didn't make a lot of power. These cars were nothing special in either handling or looks, and they were neither particularly space- nor fuel-efficient. At least they weren't unreliable. But Saturn's cars were simply no match for competition from Honda, Toyota, Mazda and a half-dozen others.

So GM, which got so much right when launching Saturn in 1990, blew the opportunity to build a new, loyal customer base by not getting the product right.

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6. 2001-2005 Pontiac Aztek
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When Pontiac introduced the Aztek crossover vehicle for 2001, it was actually getting a jump on a new market. Unfortunately, however, the Aztek was just about the ugliest thing anyone could remember being unleashed on America's roads since the 1958 Edsel. No, that's not fair ? the Edsel was way better looking than the Aztek.

Pontiac had shown the Aztek in concept form back in 1999 and, generally speaking, the reviews were excellent. But while engineering the concept vehicle as a production machine, GM took an incredible wrong turn: the corporation decided to base the new Aztek on the existing platform of its front-drive minivans. And because the minivans had certain dimensions that would be expensive to change, the Aztek wound up with some of the most awkward dimensions imaginable. For instance, the minivans' tall firewall and resulting high cowl worked fine on those plain boxes, but left the Aztek appearing tall, narrow and oddly fragile.

Compounding the mistake of was the Aztek's horrid shape, and the whole thing was covered in awful, gray plastic cladding. Hideous.

In its defense, the Aztek was roomy and versatile and had solid, easygoing road manners. But that was nowhere near enough to compete with the Japanese crossovers.

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7. 1978?-1985 Oldsmobile Diesel V-8s
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From the late 1970s and into the early '80s, Oldsmobile sold the most popular car in America: the Cutlass. Olds was on a sales roll; it seemed nothing would be able to stop the division. Then came the Oldsmobile diesels, and stopping is exactly what they did best.

Instead of designing a new series of diesel engines from scratch, GM decided to base its new diesel V8 architecture on the existing gasoline Oldsmobile 5.7-liter V8's. Of course the modifications were extensive in order to handle the 22.5:1 compression ratio of diesel operation?much stouter iron block, new cylinder heads, reinforced bottom end?but it was still a series of modifications rather than a clean-sheet design. Soon after the 5.7-liter diesel V8 debuted in Oldsmobile full-size 88 and 98 models (during 1978), the engines started tearing themselves apart.

That extreme fragility was despite the fact that the 5.7-liter diesel option cost between $800 and $1000 extra per car and only made a puny 120 hp and a stingy 220 lb-ft of peak torque at 1600 rpm. In short, these engines were awful. But the 4.3-liter version of the diesel V8 was even worse?rated at only 90 hp, it was somehow even more fragile.

The diesel V8s (and a short-lived diesel V6) were eventually offered throughout most of the Oldsmobile line and spread to the other vehicle divisions as well. And when the engines inevitably blew up, the cars they were in would either head to an early death in a junkyard or have a more reasonable powerplant swapped in.

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8. 1981-1984 Cadillac V-8-6-4
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There was nothing wrong with the theory behind GM's attempt to turn Cadillac's throttle-body injected 6.0-liter V-8 into an economy engine during the 1981 model year. The technology was called "Modulated Displacement" back then, and the idea was that as engine load decreased, fewer cylinders in the engine would actually be fired to produce power. In other words, at full throttle, the "V-8-6-4" was a V8, as it reached speed it became a V6 and when cruising it was a V4. That was the theory; in reality, most of the time these engines were just broken. Conceptually it's almost identical to what GM is selling today as Active Fuel Management on some V8s.

The old Modulated Displacement system worked by altering the rocker-arm fulcrum so that intake and exhaust valves on particular cylinders were held shut by their springs. Unfortunately the solenoids and primitive electronics that were supposed to make this work rarely worked themselves. And even when the V-8-6-4 was running on all eight cylinders it was only making a laughable 140 hp.

Even though GM abandoned the V-8-6-4 in everything except limousines after just one year, the damage was done. Here was one more half-developed, cynically marketed technology that GM just couldn't make work.

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9. 2003-Present Hummer H2
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Going strictly on functionality, the Hummer H2 is a capable machine. It's very good off-road, it rides reasonably well on-road, it's plenty powerful enough, can tow a lot, and will hold a few people and a lot of their stuff. And since it's based on the same platform as GM's full-size SUVs, the corporation makes a lot of profit on every one it sells. Function, however, isn't the H2's problem.

The problem with the H2 is that it's proudly politically incorrect in an era when the forces of political correctness are winning. The H2 gets crummy fuel mileage, its looks come straight out of the military at a time while the military is fighting an unpopular war, and it's freaking huge. Some people may actually like peeving off their neighbors by being rebellious in their vehicle choice, but an antisocial image is tougher for a large corporation to pull off.

GM was introducing the H2 (and establishing Hummer dealerships) at just about the same time that Toyota was taking the green-tech high ground with vehicles like the Prius and other hybrids. The H2 came to embody GM's presumed environmental callousness and the environmentalist fringe was vandalizing both Hummer dealerships and random civilian-owned vehicles. But worst of all for GM, when gas crested past $3 a gallon, the H2's sales cratered and they haven't recovered.

The Hummer H2 is a self-inflicted headache GM doesn't need.

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10. 1997-1999 EV1
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Even today, the two-seat GM EV1 remains one of the best-engineered, best-working pure electric vehicles ever released to the public. With clever engineering throughout its aluminum structure, an incredibly aerodynamic body and a whole bunch of lead-acid batteries, the first-generation EV1 was able to go maybe 75 miles if driven with extreme care. The second-generation EV1 with nickel-metal-hydride batteries upped that range to about 150 miles.

The problem with the EV1 was that it was almost impossible to drive in traffic with anything approaching the ideal technique the car needed to stretch its range. So its real world range was often down around 40 miles and driving it was often a white-knuckle thrill ride as the driver tried to stretch out every last electron to make it to a charging station.

GM built the EV1 to satisfy a mandate from the state of California that 2 percent of a manufacturer's fleet sold there be zero-emissions vehicles (that number would rise to 10 percent by 2003). However, the EV1 and electric vehicles built by other manufacturers finally convinced the California Air Resources Board that the zero-emissions mandates weren't achievable by then-current technology. This led to the cancellation of the mandate.

So GM canceled the EV1, and when the leases on the 1117 it had produced ran out,GM took them back and crushed them. To the committed environmentalists who had leased one, that was completely unacceptable. And suddenly the world was full of conspiracy theories about why GM "killed" the electric car (see the movie clip below). If the Hummer H2 makes GM seem callous toward the environment, the way GM handled the EV1 makes the company seem downright hostile. It's been a public relations nightmare.

However, the experience GM gained by producing the EV1 may pay off in the long run as many lessons learned with that car are being ported over to the new 2011 Chevrolet Volt.

Sometimes even the darkest clouds can have shiny silver linings.

Some of the comments at the link are priceless.

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I agree with everything bar the H2 hummer. It seems as if GM has sold thousnads upon thousands of them and i don't buy the poor fuel mileage excuse when chevrolet sell a 7L corvette and a 6.2L supercharged corvette as well.
 
I agree with everything bar the H2 hummer. It seems as if GM has sold thousnads upon thousands of them and i don't buy the poor fuel mileage excuse when chevrolet sell a 7L corvette and a 6.2L supercharged corvette as well.

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Sorry. The H2 really was that bad. And GM hasn't really sold that many.
 
Ive seen IFS Hilux's do that under the same conditions
 
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Sorry. The H2 really was that bad. And GM hasn't really sold that many.

I've seen heaps of H2's in Australia so i assumed they sold heaps. You also see the rappers and sport stars driving them.
 
There was nothing really wrong with the H2 mechanically, it was what it was. Some of those listed actually suffered from serious mechanical issues.
 
I've seen heaps of H2's in Australia so i assumed they sold heaps. You also see the rappers and sport stars driving them.

The only people who bought the H2 were idiots.. and women in giant sunglasses. It really does have no redeeming features.

So *that's* where all those H2s are going. They sold a bunch of them in Texas at first, but even before the most recent gas price escalations sales had died.

Apparently they're all being shipped to Hollywood, New York, and Australia for idiots to buy.
 
Two things:

1. Even though Saturn's may not have sold well at the time, they DID pretty much establish themselves as the cheap cars to have if you were in college, or if you were buying a vehicle for a child in college. The only two things anyone going off to college with their first car cares about is price and reliability, and the old Saturn's delivered on both of those. Threshing machine motor? Who cares, as long as it runs... and I just need it to drive down the street to the party, anyway! Shoddy body panels? Eh, it goes nicely with the abuse I give it.

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Going strictly on functionality, the Hummer H2 is a capable machine. It's very good off-road, it rides reasonably well on-road...
LOL WUT

Two words: tie rods.
 
One of the things GM did was introduce advanced ideas and technology but not get it right in the first generation. V-8-6-4 sucked but the idea itself was sound and was perfected years later.
 
One of the things GM did was introduce advanced ideas and technology but not get it right in the first generation. V-8-6-4 sucked but the idea itself was sound and was perfected years later.

Most companies *other* than Microsoft prefer to get the technology working first, THEN ship it, not the other way around. Tends to anger customers if you don't do it in the right order...
 
One of the things GM did was introduce advanced ideas and technology but not get it right in the first generation. V-8-6-4 sucked but the idea itself was sound and was perfected years later.

Would you buy a car featuring some new technology from a company that's known to ship cars with underdeveloped new technologies?
 
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LOL WUT

Two words: tie rods.

As I said before, broken tie rods are not just limited to Hummers when driven in conditions showen in the video. Any IFS 4wd driven offroad is bound to break one at some point as there simply not as strong as a solid front end. On a recent meet up with some people from another forum, we helped recover a Navara which had suffered the same problem as that Hummer.

Just because there not as strong doen't make the H2 any less capable. Unless im missing something and it happens under normal driving conditions on flat roads as well.
 
Just because there not as strong doen't make the H2 any less capable. Unless im missing something and it happens under normal driving conditions on flat roads as well.

Yeah, that's the problem - the H2s do that on city streets, too.

The tie rods are notoriously undersized on that truck.
 
Arh, fair enough then
 
Arh, fair enough then

See this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/01-0...emQQimsxZ20081112?IMSfp=TL0811121210008r11457

Admittedly, they're trying to sell their product, but they have the right of it:

Quick Story ~~~~ We have seen first hand GM outer tie rods ends give up the go and break apart, and this was on a truck that had never seen the dirt and was used for normal street driving. Not to scare anyone, but I think I need to share a friends story with you. We have a good friend (local police officer) that took his 2001 GMC Sierra with a 8" Fabtech lift on a 300 mile rode trip to the Colorado river. He had the truck loaded all of the family's stuff for the weekend, then hooked up the family ski boat, loaded his wife and two kids in the truck and left the house for a fun family weekend. After traveling 300+ miles on the interstate he exited the interstate and headed for the vacation house. As he slowly entered the drive way to the vacation house and went up that little tiny 1" bump at the end of the driveway, the right outer OE tie rod end snapped off and sent the tire flopping rearward into the fender well and stopped him in his tracks. Luckily this is when it decided to break, at low speeds in front of his house, how lucky to have it break then and there, after traveling over 300 miles at high way speeds. Who knows what could have happened if it had broken off at high way speeds????

Let me put it to you this way. The tie rod ends that GM is putting on those trucks from 1/2 tons to 1 tons are *smaller* than what Jeep fits to things like Wranglers and the old half-ton Jeep Wagoneers. In fact, they're smaller than the ones on my Jaguar XJ6. From that link - Stock GM on the left, FabTech on the right:
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They're actually on par with the ones on my Pathfinder... but then, my Pathfinder doesn't weigh what a GM halfton or full ton truck does, and with stock wheel and tire they'll last 200K+ on road. The GM ones break because you went through a pothole or over a speedbump wrong.
 
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Mere fact that he's running 8" of lift wouldn't have helped much but I get the idea. Stupid GM, I kinda like the hummer.
 
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