Texas governor mentions secession

I think Mexico would dissolve Texas at first ear shot of hearing about something like this. How anxious would the US Government be to bail out Texas when Mexico comes-a-crawling for those resources so highly acclaimed. How big of a militia can Texas build to guard its borders? I admit, I don't know much about the topic and I haven't read anything but most of the first page of this thread but this topic has been discussed in the public lately in my area.
 
Spectre, love your posts from the past month or two, keep up the Texas secession talk . It is amazing how much the topic of Texas seceding has picked up even on campus lately, a place I would consider largely liberal. Also I would love a larger version of your sig if you have one.

But on a less fun note, do all of your threads have to devolve into arguments about how much California sucks. Yes I know it is mostly Californians who feel the need to argue with you, but I do find it a tad repetitive.

If the Californians stop attacking, I'll stop shooting them to doll-ribbons.

As for the sig, I made it out of text and a logo from www.texassecede.com. If I have time, I'll see about making up a bigger one. How large would you like it?


I think Mexico would dissolve Texas at first ear shot of hearing about something like this. How anxious would the US Government be to bail out Texas when Mexico comes-a-crawling for those resources so highly acclaimed. How big of a militia can Texas build to guard its borders? I admit, I don't know much about the topic and I haven't read anything but most of the first page of this thread but this topic has been discussed in the public lately in my area.

Nope. Mexico is busy right now. In case you hadn't heard, Mexico is being wracked by gang warfare and neither the Mexican police or the Mexican army can do anything about it. Gangs raid police stations and military arsenals with ease and impunity, and crime is rampant everywhere down there.

Mexico can't even solve its own problems, and you expect it to be able to conquer a state whose *civilians* alone outgun it, whose citizens own frigging TANKS and who has people whose idea of fun on the weekends is to go out and shoot their own private artillery? Not to mention all the veterans that retire here.... If the need were obvious, we could mount a million man army in twenty-four hours. You also forget we have a fairly decent sized little military under the command of the state governor, and if worst comes to worst, we have nukes. Mexico doesn't.

Not going to happen, Yankee.

While you're at it, you might want to consider this. When Houston and the Texas Coast was going to be hit by Hurricane Rita, we were told the old saw about "there's going to be thousands of dead, nobody could even begin to evacuate an American metropolitan area in less than two weeks" - you know, the same excuse that city planners all over the country use for why they don't have evacuation plans in case of an emergency. Since, as they believed, nobody would be able to evacuate the entire city in time, there was no point in planning for it. Same excuse they used to give the idiots in Louisiana a pass on their horrible handling of Katrina, as a matter of fact.

We not only evacuated Houston, we evacuated all of the Gulf Coast and got everyone who wanted to go out of harms way. Five million people. Seventy two hours. Everyone who wanted to go was evacuated or evacuated themselves. Nobody who wanted to go was left behind.

The current record for human evacuation, by far, is held by Texas. The largest human evacuation in history, the one everyone said would never happen. The one they ridiculed Texas for planning for since 1901.

"They" told us it was impossible.

We did it anyway.

Think about that.
 
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... the current US leadership has no stomach for fighting. They're more inclined to negotiate and accede when the negotiations fail, so it would be unlikely.
I think there are some headless Somali pirates who would disagree. :lol:

I think Mexico would dissolve Texas at first ear shot of hearing about something like this.
This talk of Texas secession is just silly (no offense Spectre), but I'll bite on that. If Mexico went to war with Texas, Mexico would lose. It would be nasty, but I wouldn't hold out much hope for Mexico.
 
:lol: @ Mexico v. Texas

I think this Texas talk is as funny as anyone, though I enjoy your posts Spectre, but the very idea of Mexico taking on Texas is hi-freaking-larious.
 
:lol: @ Mexico v. Texas

I think this Texas talk is as funny as anyone, though I enjoy your posts Spectre, but the very idea of Mexico taking on Texas is hi-freaking-larious.

Yeah, Mexico v. Texas is a foregone conclusion. It would be bloody and expensive, but when it was over, Texas would be just a bit larger... And Mexico (assuming we left anything to be called Mexico) would be wondering just what the hell happened to them. Again.

When out of my circle of Texas friends alone I can put together an entire platoon of experienced and/or very able men, mostly retired soldiers and Marines, under the command of a Marine Recon captain (not me), plus the beginnings of a good close air support squadron under the command of a Bronze Star/DFC helicopter pilot, with only the really heavy equipment and aircraft missing (and we have lots of *that* cached all over the state in National Guard/State Guard armories), yeah, that's a problem for Mexico. Or anyone else.

By the way, the current Mexico v. Texas score is 0-2, Texas' favor. War for Indepencence, Mexican-American War, neither went the way Mexico thought it was going to.
 
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We have similar discussions over here with some one german state (and serval EU-Members) and the way I see it, stuff like this is never anything more than a desperate (and populistic) call for "take us seriously, please!!!!" with no real intention behind it. Like a 14year old Emo kid, screaming at his parents that he will run away (to live under bridges and prostitute him/herself) if they don?t pay more attention to him/her and try to understand his feelings pain pubertybullshit.
And I can?t take that seriously ... it seems some of you do (or indeed are in political puberty themselves, far away from rational or productive approaches to problems and differences), but I would advise you not to give to much about this. In my opinion, even those Politicians who threw that topic onto the table to make you (and everybody else) get excited about it, don?t belive in this.
 
Wouldn't be the first time Texas fought Mexico.

My first-grade cousin has been busy telling me all about Davy Crockett while I've been here :lol:


We have similar discussions over here with some one german state (and serval EU-Members) and the way I see it, stuff like this is never anything more than a desperate (and populistic) call for "take us seriously, please!!!!" with no real intention behind it. Like a 14year old Emo kid, screaming at his parents that he will run away (to live under bridges and prostitute him/herself) if they don?t pay more attention to him/her and try to understand his feelings pain pubertybullshit.
And I can?t take that seriously ... it seems some of you do (or indeed are in political puberty themselves, far away from rational or productive approaches to problems and differences), but I would advise you not to give to much about this. In my opinion, even those Politicians who threw that topic onto the table to make you (and everybody else) get excited about it, don?t belive in this.


Oh, Germany. There are plenty of Ossis who would like the wall to be rebuilt, and I say good riddance if they do it. But it's never gonna happen, so they will continue to suck out all of our tax euros. meh.
 
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Have you seceded yet?
Have you seceded yet?
Have you seceded yet?
I'm getting the popcorn ready!
 
Today is the 173rd anniversary of the Battle of San Jacinto.

"...About 3:30 in the afternoon, during the Mexican siesta period, Houston distributed his troops in battle array, bracketing the line with the "Twin Sisters" cannon. Shielded by trees and a rise in the terrain, the Texans were able to advance with some security. Then with the cries "Remember the Alamo" and "Remember La Bahia" or "Remember Goliad" ringing along their lines, the Texans swooped down on the dismayed Mexican army, pursuing and butchering them long after the battle itself had ended.
630 Mexicans were killed and 730 taken prisoner. Texans lost only 9 killed or mortally wounded; thirty were less seriously wounded. Among the latter was General Houston, whose ankle was shattered..."
http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/treasures/republic/san-jacinto.html

http://img515.imageshack.**/img515/3636/800pxbattleofsanjacinto.jpg
 
http://img515.imageshack.**/img515/3636/800pxbattleofsanjacinto.jpg
Wow, look how green the grass is ... not something you?d expect in Texas with that climate ... and look how nicely it is trimmed!

My salute to the Landscape architects of that time! :rolleyes:

Or wait ... is that sand drenched in Alien-blood?
 
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Wow, look how green the grass is ... not something you?d expect in Texas with that climate ... and look how nicely it is trimmed!

My salute to the Landscape architects of that time! :rolleyes:

Or wait ... is that sand drenched in Alien-blood?

North Texas is rolling, fertile prairie.
East Texas is an enormous pine forest.
South Texas is coastal plains/swamps (which is where San Jacinto is).
Central Texas has small mountains and hills.
West Texas is what everyone thinks Texas looks like - blasted desert wasteland. And no, those cacti that everyone associates with Texas does NOT grow here.

Today is the 173rd anniversary of the Battle of San Jacinto.

"...About 3:30 in the afternoon, during the Mexican siesta period, Houston distributed his troops in battle array, bracketing the line with the "Twin Sisters" cannon. Shielded by trees and a rise in the terrain, the Texans were able to advance with some security. Then with the cries "Remember the Alamo" and "Remember La Bahia" or "Remember Goliad" ringing along their lines, the Texans swooped down on the dismayed Mexican army, pursuing and butchering them long after the battle itself had ended.
630 Mexicans were killed and 730 taken prisoner. Texans lost only 9 killed or mortally wounded; thirty were less seriously wounded. Among the latter was General Houston, whose ankle was shattered..."
http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/treasures/republic/san-jacinto.html

http://img515.imageshack.**/img515/3636/800pxbattleofsanjacinto.jpg

Thanks for that, you beat me to posting it.

Before anyone complains about the slaughter at the battle: the Mexicans should have thought about that before they took the surrender of Texas troops at Goliad, then executed them.
 
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As for the sig, I made it out of text and a logo from www.texassecede.com. If I have time, I'll see about making up a bigger one. How large would you like it?

Not picky, something decently sized for a sig will do. (I am a biology student, artistic things are at a loss to me.)
 
Because until recently, the Feds haven't been this abusive. Before, despite the problems we had, the arrangement was beneficial to all parties. Now the Feds want to kill off our oil and gas industry, crush the rest of our industry with taxes, and then tell us to go pound sand when we voice our concerns.



It *could* provoke a conflict, sure, but the current US leadership has no stomach for fighting. They're more inclined to negotiate and accede when the negotiations fail, so it would be unlikely.

That said, I don't advocate the violent overthrow of the US government for secession. I believe that it is possible to reach a negotiated settlement that will end with Texas leaving the union peacefully, much like Czechoslovakia decided to split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia; there was no violence involved, both countries remained amicable and in fact often work as a single political or military unit - but the Czechs no longer dictate to the Slovaks or vice versa. The arrangement seems to work out well for them and I believe a similar one will work out just as well for Texas.


Related: http://forums.finalgear.com/political-discussion/the-best-us-cities-for-jobs-35230/#post962754

Why do we need to stay in the US, again?

You seem to have quite a bit of evidence to support the fact that this could be possible- have there been any groups/unions of "seceding" Texans, or is this still in its infant stages?
 
You seem to have quite a bit of evidence to support the fact that this could be possible- have there been any groups/unions of "seceding" Texans, or is this still in its infant stages?

There have been some attempts at this before, but most of the people in Texas laughed at them. Before the current administration and Congress' disastrous policies, I'd say 5% or less seriously thought about it. I was in the part that thought that it was technically possible but laughable that we'd ever try.

Now, with Obama only in office a little over three months and the Congress setting new records for stupid laws, spending rate and debt, something like 32% of Texans now support secession and I'm in that part this time around. In case you're wondering why that number sounds awful familiar, it's approximately the same percentage that supported the Colonies' secession from Britain after Lexington and Concord in 1775. We know how that worked out.
 
If most of the backlash in Texas currently is due to the new administration, wouldn't it be prudent to give them more than three months before breaking up your country?

If I were an American I'd be quite distressed and unsure towards Obama's plans, it's a lot of money we're talking about here after all... but secession seems way too radical when we haven't even begun to see the effects of Obama's policies.

You say only 5 percent of Texans previously wanted secession, meaning much of the current hoopla is over the Democrats now controlling Washington, in which case it all seems very rash to me.

Obama is taking a lot on, but your country is currently in a pretty bad recession, and he was voted into power with a mandate to bring change and reform to many facets of American politics. Give the guy a year at least and see what state everything is in, even though under normal circumstances all this would and should be very hard to swallow.
 
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If most of the backlash in Texas currently is due to the new administration, wouldn't it be prudent to give them more than three months before breaking up your country?

If I were an American I'd be quite distressed and unsure towards Obama's plans, it's a lot of money we're talking about here after all... but secession seems way too radical when we haven't even begun to see the effects of Obama's policies.

You say only 5 percent of Texans previously wanted secession, meaning much of the current hoopla is over the Democratcs now controlling Washington, in which case it all seems very rash to me.

Obama is taking a lot on, but your country is currently in a pretty bad recession, and he was voted into power with a mandate to bring change and reform to many facets of American politics. Give the guy a year at least and see what state everything is in.

Actually, the "before" was before the Bush Administration, during the Clinton years. The pressure has been building since then, since neither party will do anything about the issues facing Texas (which they won't let us solve). The new taxes hurt, and now all the new regs intended to snuff out one of our major industries (oil and gas) have become the straw that broke the camel's back.

Also, it's not just Obama but the past two years of a Democrat Congress that have really amped up the pressure. I'm just guessing, but I'd say that after that *idiot* illegal alien amnesty idiocy a couple years ago, the percetange of secessionists went up to around 15-20%, after the Feds told us (again) that we couldn't secure our own border it went up again, and now with this "hey, let's de-employ Texas so we can worship Mother Gaia whilst freezing to death because it's NAAAATURAL!" and "let's tax Texas into poverty to pay off the unions, our Wall Street buddies, and our ACORN socialist brothers while we don't pay taxes ourselves" bullshit, we're up to ~32%. If they pass more gun control (which seems likely), look for it to go over 50%.

At that point, all bets are off.

By the way, I don't know if you read the other thread about US jobs, but Texas has such a strong economy that we have hardly been hit by the downturn. Congress evidently wants us to shut that down and become Michigan. Fuck that. Our economy is strong because we have pursued a policy opposite that of the party of those in power in Washington right now. Now they want to change that.

I remind you of the Texas Declaration of Independence posted upthread. It was written 173 years ago, but the US government is starting to more and more resemble the one described in that document.
 
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I do like much of the politics of Texas, its a shame that I couldn't stand it there. The geography of the Pacific North West is just too good to give up easily.
 
Eastern Washington often has both state secession and national secession movements. Even Snohomish County has had state/national secession movements. Just drive across the mountains :p
 
Eastern Washington often has both state secession and national secession movements. Even Snohomish County has had state/national secession movements. Just drive across the mountains :p

I don't consider Eastern Washington part of the Pacific NorthWest. :p I'm not a fan of deserts.
 
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