The Aviation Thread [Contains Lots of Awesome Pictures]

devil500 said:
Well LOT's first 787(SP-LRA) will arrive in Warsaw on Thursday!
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I don't believe I have seen one of them yet, is this the first one in Europe?

Also, do you know what services it will be running & when and more particularly, will it be flying in here?

(I expect there will be some final flight & cabin crew training initially, although a lot will already will have been done in Seattle and simulators/mock-up in Warsaw.)

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Heathrow said:
I don't believe I have seen one of them yet, is this the first one in Europe?

Also, do you know what services it will be running & when and more particularly, will it be flying in here?

(I expect there will be some final flight & cabin crew training initially, although a lot will already will have been done in Seattle and simulators/mock-up in Warsaw.)

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What do you mean "in Europe" ? Owned by a European airline? Or just flying in Europe? Because ANA has a 787 flying Frankfurt - Tokio for almost a year now.
 
They are the first European airline to operate one, and by adding the 787's they have the most modern fleet in Europe. :)
 
What happened to their belly-landed 767 btw? Repaired? Written off?
 
Written off. I think it was just sold off for scrap. Also the 787 is getting 4 Polish Air Force F16's to escort it according to someone are airliners.net.
 
devil500 said:
They'll be doing a Europe Tour I think, and then it'll be flying WAW/ODR. Yes, they'll be the first European carrier, and well deserving of it since their fleet of 767 is aging and need replacement.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5562652/
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Oh good, I may see it on the Eurotour, otherwise I just wave as it passes overhead at FL350 on the way to Chicago.
(ODR does exist, it is somewhere in Oz, Red River airport apparently.)


idk said:
What do you mean "in Europe" ? Owned by a European airline? Or just flying in Europe? Because ANA has a 787 flying Frankfurt - Tokio for almost a year now.
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Yeah, my lack of clarity being lazy. I meant based in Europe. (with a chance of flying in to London sometime.)

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NY Times - E.U. Postpones Charges for Airline Emissions

NY Times said:
By JAMES KANTER
Published: November 12, 2012

BRUSSELS ? The European Commission said Monday that it would seek to delay a plan to charge foreign airlines for greenhouse gas emissions for one year, potentially removing one of the most contentious issues clouding trade relations with China, India and the United States.

The system, which requires airlines using an airport in Europe to obtain or buy permits corresponding to the amount of gases they emit, had generated intense opposition among foreign governments. They accused the European Union of violating their sovereignty and unfairly raising the costs paid by airlines from developing countries by imposing its environmental standards on the world.

more on link
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Apparently Lufthansa Flight Training got a new toy. Want one too :p

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It is 14 tons according to the (German) article and by CAE Inc. in Montreal/Canada. I guess that is were RdKetchup works. :p They have 19 cockpit simulators at the facility in Frankfurt now. Impressive. One day I've to book a Simulator flight for an hour.

What would you choose?

Frankfurt
Lufthansa Flight Training Center
Airbus A300/310 345 ?
Airbus A320 295 ?
Airbus A340 345 ?
Airbus A380 395 ?
Boeing B737 295 ?
Boeing B747 345 ?
Boeing B767 345 ?
MD11 345 ?

In Munich they have also a 777 Simulator, but they don't have any 777 in their fleet <_<
 
I've flown all of those types (in simulators) except the MD11 :D

If I were you, I would rent the 747.

Aircraft with proper yoke feel more real to fly in a sim than aircraft with side-sticks.
 
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@RdKetchup:

I wonder how that works/is organized. I hope a flight starts not with push back because you'll probably loose about 15 minutes - 30 minutes of the one hour simulator time.

How is it with your simulators. Do customers have to buy scenery for every airport they want to use? Or don't real flight simulators bother too much about nice airport buildings.

I'm just interested, because for X-Flight there are some really nice sceneries. But I doubt that it is worth developing them for a full flight simulator because how many customers are there who wants the same specific airport.
 
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idk said:
@RdKetchup:

I wonder how that works/is organized. I hope a flight starts not with push back because you'll probably loose about 15 minutes - 30 minutes of the one hour simulator time.

How is it with your simulators. Do customers have to buy scenery for every airport they want to use? Or don't real flight simulators bother too much about nice airport buildings.

I'm just interested, because for X-Flight there are some really nice sceneries. But I doubt that it is worth developing them for a full flight simulator because how many customers are there who wants the same specific airport.
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Regarding your first question, that's something that would need to be confirmed by those who are actually renting the sim, but technically you don't have to start at the gate, you can reposition at gate, take-off, hold, or at various approach points on the runway of your choice.

You don't even have to go trough a full engine start-up sequence, you can ask for an engine quick-start and a IRS fast align.

As for the second question, the scenes, on a modern visual system you normally have low to medium resolution imagery and elevation data for the whole world, plus generic airport modelling for pretty much every major civil runway in the world.

But for realistic airport scenes (with proper taxiways and buildings), the clients choose a few airport, typically 3 scenes for certification + 12 other training scenes (a scene in our case is at least one airport, but in some case (like New-York) it can be 2, 3 or 4).
 
So, not a sexy & cool P-51 Mustang or a beautiful Spitfire, but their hard working, plain, Merlined engined cousin, a Hurricane is for sale:

Bonhams to sell example of aeroplane made famous as the hero of the Battle of Britain - Hurricane Mk XIIa 5711

Bonhams said:
Hurricane fighter aircraft like one of the many that defended British shores during World War II's Battle of Britain will be the star attraction at the Bonhams sale of Collectors' Motor Cars and Automobilia at Mercedes-Benz World Brooklands ? the spiritual home of the Hurricane ? in Weybridge, Surrey, UK, on Monday 3rd December. Click here for a video of the Hurricane in action.

The Hurricane, the Royal Air Force's first monoplane fighter, had its finest hour during that battle, where it shot down more enemy aircraft than its famous service partner the Spitfire.

Brooklands, where the Bonhams sale will take place, has its own history with the aircraft: it was assembled and first flown in prototype form there in 1935, and altogether more than 3,000 Hurricanes were produced on site ? one fifth of the total built.

Hurricane Mk XIIa 5711 (G-HURI), equipped with 12 Browning .303 machine guns, was built in 1942 and joined the Royal Canadian Air Force the following year, remaining in Canada for the duration of the war. Its service history has proved elusive, but it may have protected convoys on the east coast shore line from German U-boat activity, or been used as a training aircraft.

Struck off charge from the RCAF in 1947, it was bought by a Canadian syndicate. It was later restored to flight, making its first post-restoration flight in 1989, before being acquired by the Historic Aircraft Collection in 2002 and housed at the IWM Duxford in Cambridgeshire.

Following extensive programme of refinements including the fitting of the correct Merlin engine, G-HURI now flies as 'Z5140', with the code letters HA-C and in the Battle of Britain colours worn by a Hurricane IIB flown with 126 Squadron during the siege of Malta. During the Collection's ownership it became the first Hurricane to return to Malta since World War II, and this summer was the first to fly to Russia since that time, where it flew in the presence of Russian president Vladimir Putin at the Moscow Airshow.

At 32ft long and 13ft high, with a wingspan of 40ft, this half-ton aircraft is capable of a range of 900 miles and a maximum speed of 322mph. It is offered for sale with an estimate of ?1.4 million - ?1.7 million.

Tim Schofield, Director of the Bonhams UK Motor Car Department, said: "This Hurricane is one of only a handful of these iconic aircraft still flying today, and is presented for sale in highly original condition.

"We expect it will be a lot that will generate much interest among buyers at our December sale, and will complement the important motor cars we already have consigned for the sale."
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If we all chip in some cash, can we buy it guys? :lol:
 
Yeah, it is that too.
 
^
I like it that the fire truck do that for the new plane, pretty cool. :cool:

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History

Interesting events of aviation history in November:

Frequent Business Traveller said:
The Douglas DC-7 began service with American Airlines on November 4, 1953. The new aircraft allowed the airline to offer nonstop, coast-to-coast service.

On November 15, 1956, a Scandinavian Airlines System (SAS) Douglas DC-7C set a new distance record for commercial airlines when it flew 6,005 miles (9664 kilometers) nonstop from Los Angeles to Stockholm, Sweden. The aircraft followed the Great Arctic Circle route on its flight.

The Daily Mail of London offered a ?10,000 prize on November 17, 1906, to the first person to fly from Manchester, England, to London. In 1909, Louis Bl?riot won the prize after he flew across the English Channel.

On November 20, 1928, Douglas Aircraft Co. Inc. was founded.

The Boeing B-29 Pacusan Dreamboat, a converted B-29 bomber, set a world record for nonstop distance traveled with 8,198 miles (13,193 kilometers) on its November 20, 1945 flight from Guam to Washington, D.C.

The first production Boeing 727-100 rolled out on November 27, 1962. It made its first flight on February 9, 1963. On November 3, 1963, a Boeing 727 completed a 76,000-mile world tour, visiting 26 countries.

Between November 28 and 29, 1929, the first flight over the South Pole was made by Commander Richard E. Byrd. The flight was completed in a Ford trimotor piloted by Bernt Balchen and two Americans. During this first expedition to Antarctica, Byrd established a base located on the Bay of Whales, which he named Little America.
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God, I miss that plane... It is truly the last truly beautiful fighter made...
 
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