youngwarrior said:
Ok I shall now reply because for some silly little reason you seem to belive you have torn something to pieces
1. The BMW M5 delimited is 1 second slower than the Z06 in theory once taken into account that GMs time was done with no traffic on the track and suspension setup tuned for the ring (ie its not stock settings). And that a car that weighs more, has a higher centre of gravity and started life as a big 4 door saloon. And the M5 doesnt have body panels flying off it at 40mph, is comfortable and will hold its value well.
So, BMW modifies it by removing the limiter, and you consider that to still be "Stock", yet Chevrolet tunes the adjustable suspension and you complain that it's been modified. Nice. And whose "theory" makes the Z06 8 seconds slower? Oh, yes, I believe you said it was "magazines." Nice and vague and therfore completely irellevant.
So, the M5 is 10 seconds slower, fatter, and
much more expensive - I fail to see why you're banging on about it. It's not exactly a performance bargain.
2. The GT3 is not stripped out. Its interior is much better than that of a Z06 and its daily use is just as crap (although americans seem to think its good) as the GT3. And the interior of the Z06 looks like that from a vauxhall corsa :lol: So yeah how wrong were you on the interior department.
I wouldn't say the interior in a GT3 is all that good - the press photo you pictured was very nice, but was done with special lighting to enhance the looks. Here's a picture of ti in the real world:
It's a mass of grey plastic, and it's honestly nothing to write home about.
3. Yeah but the NSX retail preice wasnt $460,000 was it.
Its just a rare desirbale car, so I dont know why your comming up with such a stupid argument.
As far as I can tell, the retail price of the NSX-R was $460,000. Supercars.net is the only place I can find that lists the price, so I'm going with that.
4. I named the file propaganda because like the american government, GM is good at that.
...what? You were doing better, don't get all tinfoil-hat on me here.
5. They tuned the corvettes suspension at the trackside, just so they could get a better lap time round the ring from it, and therefore a stock consumer Z06 will never achieve such a time. Bit misleading what GM were doing isnt it. Another stupid argument, your just clutching for straws now.
Wrong. The Z06's suspension is very easy to adjust - a couple of hand tools it all that's required to adjust it, and some people have even managed to adjust it without even jacking up the car. So,
yes a consumer Z06 could achieve that very same time with a little effort from the owner. That's the beauty of fully adjustable suspensions.
6. So no ones wastes theyre time with the, maybe hes not all that of a driver, argument.
I don't think anyone was going to argue that, come on.
7. Yes the suspension was adjusted, its no longer stock is it, so theyre misleading the customer in thinking they too if theyre skillful can achieve such a lap time.
You really don't understand the difference between "adjustable" and "modified" suspension, do you? Do some research and get back to me.
8. The only other manufacturers that change suspension setups before going out on the 'ring are the small light super special cars, which are often not roadlegal anyway, and koenigsegg. But koenigsegg actively encourage customers to do so, as it very simple by just lifting the hood and a couple wrench turns theyre done. They say to soften the suspension of the way to the track and once your theyre to harden it up. The Z06 engineers would need various tools and ramps to adjust therye suspension. Also 8 seconds is very conservative, do you know how much the public would hold up a race driver on a hotlap, especially on such a long circuit as the 'ring.
I can garuntee you that any manufacturer that tracks a car on the Ring that has adjustable suspension will adjust it to the track - it's the whole point of
having adjustable suspension. As mentioned before, the Z06 suspension is very easy to adjust as well.
From the on-track videos I've seen, the cars are so well-spaced that it would be pretty tough to lose 8 full seconds in traffic. The video where the Radical set the lap record, I think he passed maybe 2 cars which didn't hold him up at all.
9. So are you telling me that lexus', bmw's ,porsches and VAG's are unreliable? Need I remind you that the M3's have next to know special gadgeteries for handling? Its just a brilliant chassis with fine tuning. And as for beating a delimited M5 by a second, thats nothing to bragg about is it, costs a little more than a Z06 has a better ride, interior, image and will hold its value all whilst seating 4. I wonder what delimited and M6 would do or the upcoming M6 CSL.
Lexus isn't exactly a sports car maker, BMW's quality has gone to shit in recent years, Porsche has suffered as well, and VAG overall is quite poor.
The M5 isn't a "little" more expensive, it's
$25,000 more than the Z06. That's a
lot more expensive. It's 10 seconds slower around the Ring even with the limiter removed, not one second - look at the list you posted. Those are the hard numbers, not some vague 8-second penalty that some "magazine" came up with.
Hard numbers > bench racing.
10. So we have proven this.
1) There are faster cars with alot less horsepower that are faster
and much more expensive than the Z06.
2) There are faster cars with less horsepower that are cheaper
and much slower than a Z06
3) There are faster cars with more horsepower that are alot faster than the Z06 for the same price ie ultima GTR.
Thay are known a "trackday cars" and are much less useable on the road than the Z06.
4)There are faster cars than the Z06 with similiar horsepower that can seat 4 and has a decent boot and non redneck image.
Which one? Are you going on about the M5 again? Reality check time, it's slower than the Corvette, has less power, and weighs a thousand pounds more!
5) For what it is the Z06 is no bargain as it has a crap interior, wont hold its value as well as its rivals, has body panels that fly off and is heavy.
Nice. The interior is perfectly acceptable (go up and look at the rather ugly GT3 interior I posted again), few if any people buy sports cars based on resale value (You really can't predict depreciation of a low-production car, anyway, and your predictions are the last ones I would trust), the body panels thing was blown out of proportion by people like you, and the Z06 is not heavy. Not by a long shot.
6) That you obviously dont like hearing the truth that the Z06 isnt all that youve made it out to be.
It's exactly what I've made it out to be. It's powerful, light, and extremely fast for the price. It's an incredible performance bargain. End of story. You can deny it all you want, but the numbers, even the ones you have posted, make it clear.
There's not much I have to say that hasn't been said here already.
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