1054hp 250mph chop topped Porsche 997

in those side shots the tail reminds me a lot of the Carrera GT.

I also pity that engine. At 1054hp it equates to 277hp per liter, which has got to be putting a strain on the intercoolers.
 
^ having no side-mirrors was a reason that people say that the XJ220's ~217mph top speed was invalid. Having no side-mirrors doesnt make it a "road car" i guess.
 
Some cars only have one side mirror. Does that not make it a "road car"? :p
 
i am so happy Porsche brought the round headlights back....


and i have to say, this thread made me look at 100 more images of the 997 turbo, and this is finally the body style that makes the 993 turbo s (which i still wet my pants over) look "old", but it is still my favorite.

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i wanne say sth, but have no idea what. that car's beaty just makes me shut up i guess

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Alok said:
I dunno, I would at this point say the same thing clarkson said in his previous articles- If there was a way of making the 911 turbo better, porsche would have done it, I dunno how much of an apex-eater this one is, straight line grunt aside. Porsches have always been surgical tool kinda precision cars, wouldnt you all agree?
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Porsches are not precision cars. At least before the 997. From the first 911 to the 993 they had terrible front suspension geometry with loads of bump steer (changing toe when suspension compresses/extends), it wasn't until the 993 that they even got a decent rear suspension. They're mostly a "chuck it into a corner, keep your foot down, and hang on" type of car.
Benson said:
Nah...compare the engines...The Veyron's got a 8 litre quad-turbo W16 where as the Porsche's "only" got a 3.8 bi-turbo 6 cylinder...And the Veyron has to perform in every possible weather and environtmental situation...and that 1054hp Porsche doesn't...I guess
I don't think it'll be that hard to cool it...
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An 8L W16 with 4 turbos will run much cooler than a 3.9L flat 6 with two turbos. The W16 only has to run 15 psi of boost with relatively small turbos, this car runs 21 psi of boost on huge turbos. Not to mention it turns 2k to 3k rpm higher.
 
Vitamin J said:
Porsches are not precision cars. At least before the 997. From the first 911 to the 993 they had terrible front suspension geometry with loads of bump steer (changing toe when suspension compresses/extends), it wasn't until the 993 that they even got a decent rear suspension. They're mostly a "chuck it into a corner, keep your foot down, and hang on" type of car.
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The old fashioned torsion bars (Dating back to the original VW) were ditched in favor of semi trailing arms with coil springs for the 964, in 1989. (Multilink from 993 and onwards) For the front suspension they have used a MacPherson setup since, well forever, even the 924 had that...

Terrible is definately not the word I would use, baring in mind how astonishing the Carrera RS always was and still is. The '73 Carrera RS and the following RSR and Turbo, 935, Carrera Turbo, GT2s and up to today's GT3 (R/RS/RSR) models demolish(ed) pretty much everything that got in it's way on racetracks all across the world. 911s of old just had to be driven around corners properly; Slow in, and use the suprme traction from having the rear engine to go fast out of the corner. With turbo-models you had to floor it about mid-corner so the boost came in the very same moment the car pointed forwards.

Other Porsches than the 911, such as the 928 goes for being very sophisticated yet precise and controlled. 914/924/944/968 (Latter in CS guise in particular) goes for being light, well balanced prescicion tools.
 
marcos_eirik said:
The old fashioned torsion bars (Dating back to the original VW) were ditched in favor of semi trailing arms with coil springs for the 964, in 1989. (Multilink from 993 and onwards) For the front suspension they have used a MacPherson setup since, well forever, even the 924 had that...
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The front suspension couldn't hold alignment mid-corner, when it comes to performance cars that is one of the most important things there is. If the alignment changes ever lap, you'll never take the corner the same way twice. And the 924 isn't really a good car to make a point with.
Terrible is definately not the word I would use, baring in mind how astonishing the Carrera RS always was and still is. The '73 Carrera RS and the following RSR and Turbo, 935, Carrera Turbo, GT2s and up to today's GT3 (R/RS/RSR) models demolish(ed) pretty much everything that got in it's way on racetracks all across the world. 911s of old just had to be driven around corners properly; Slow in, and use the suprme traction from having the rear engine to go fast out of the corner. With turbo-models you had to floor it about mid-corner so the boost came in the very same moment the car pointed forwards.
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You'll notice the front suspension on the racing models isn't the same as on the road models.

The 935 in particular won mostly because it was the only car in the field or had significantly more horsepower. Also, Porsche took full advantage of the rules and competed against private teams.
Other Porsches than the 911, such as the 928 goes for being very sophisticated yet precise and controlled. 914/924/944/968 (Latter in CS guise in particular) goes for being light, well balanced prescicion tools.
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This is true, especially the 914.


I'm not saying the 911 isn't a good car, I'm saying it was never really a precision car until the 997. That's why the 550, 914, Boxster, and Cayman exist.
 
I still say that it'll flip and send the driver to heaven in a mighty ball of fire. :p :shifty:
 
i'm getting tired of stupid bbs rims :'(
i think there's no one single model in the range that i'd fancy

and i believe the 997 is the best looking 911 ever ( second-best is the 993 WITH a wing, looks abit dull without ). pure sex.

those headlamps :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:
 
Vitamin J said:
The front suspension couldn't hold alignment mid-corner, when it comes to performance cars that is one of the most important things there is. If the alignment changes ever lap, you'll never take the corner the same way twice. And the 924 isn't really a good car to make a point with.
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Why are (both early and later) Carrera RS models with the aincent MacPherson struts and torsion bars hailed so much for their handling then? I used the 924 as an example out the top of my head, for how long they have been using the MacPherson struts for the front suspension.

Vitamin J said:
You'll notice the front suspension on the racing models isn't the same as on the road models.
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The Carrera RS models uses pretty much the same suspension components as the normal cars, just lightened, lowered and (much in some instances) stiffened, with anti roll bars. This was the point of the RS' you could buy pretty much exactly what they raced. When you compare the roadgoing 2,7 RS with the full race spec 2,8 RSR the difference isn't that big. The gap between road cars and racecars was much smaller back then, with the exception of the 935 wich was pretty much how far the 911 concept could be pushed. The gap has obviously widened much since then...

Vitamin J said:
The 935 in particular won mostly because it was the only car in the field or had significantly more horsepower. Also, Porsche took full advantage of the rules and competed against private teams.

I'm not saying the 911 isn't a good car, I'm saying it was never really a precision car until the 997. That's why the 550, 914, Boxster, and Cayman exist.
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The 935 was included in my "list" purely to show how successful the 911 concept has been on the track, despite the rear engine and all... Well, it competed against whatever that was on the track and won, regardless of class, hell, it even managed to hold off the ground hugging prototypes towards the end of it's career. As for tubocharging being an "unfair advantage" it was available for everyone to use... BTW; Was there really a factory Porsche team in the IMSA GT-P series? Weren't they all just loosely factory backed privateers...? As the development of the cars was largely done by the teams or by specialists like DP Motorsports and the Kremer brothers.

You forgot to include the front engine, transaxle cars... :p Anyway, different cars, different appeal...
 
mocking the 911 is like mocking Cindy Crawford.

every vehicle, especially sports cars and super cars, has its flaws, but with 16 Le Mans wins, countless Group 4 5 and 6 wins, and domination in countless other circuits, as well as having some of the best cars for indy teams out there with the GT3 Cup, its hard to pay any mind to talk of Porsche not being precision.


what was the last 911 you drove on the road? or do you just rely on american automotive journaling to build rather obtuse opinions on the performance abilities and characteristics of automobiles? :|
 
OMFG!!! that is amazing. that's all chopped right? that is my dream porsche. love the wind on the back
 
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