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http://www.teamspeed.com/forums/att...1-lamborghini-lp700-4-order-guide-lp700-4.pdf
 
hounted said:
hmmm....
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Fuck me.

what a glorious, angry, gorgeous, beast that is.

wow
 
Doesn't it usually take a while before they release a LPxxx version of a car?
 
That's kinda heavy. I thought they were trying to make it lighter. Maybe it was just the Sesto Elemento.
Wonder how much the yellow rear springs will add to the cost.
Jens said:
Doesn't it usually take a while before they release a LPxxx version of a car?
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I'd guess it's just their current naming scheme.
 
LP just means that the engine is longitudinally positioned ;)
 
IceBone said:
The Murcielago was 75kgs (165 lbs) heavier.
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That's a start but it's still nearly 600 kg's more than the Sesto Elemento. Maybe they shouldn't be compared but 600 kg is a lot.
 
Pry said:
That's a start but it's still nearly 600 kg's more than the Sesto Elemento. Maybe they shouldn't be compared but 600 kg is a lot.
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Wasn't that concept based around the Gallardo? Much smaller car.
 
rustyknife said:
It has an AWD system and a V12, they're not light components.
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We are talking about 10's of kg's more with those not 100's.

NecroJoe said:
Wasn't that concept based around the Gallardo? Much smaller car.
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Yes I believe the main issue is that the body of LP700-4 isn't made of CFRP like the Sesto Elemento to keep the cost down. Compared to big GT cars like a 599 it's quite light but when compared to more expensive stuff like an Enzo or a Carrera GT it's really heavy not to mention the Zonda or the McLaren F1. I was hoping it to be closer to the Enzos.
It weighs around the same as the old Diablo which I don't consider exactly a light weight. Even a Gen 1 Viper with a steel frame and a huge engine is nearly 100 kg's lighter. Sure it's 100 kg's less of a car but it feels quite heavy.
 
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Wait, are you seriously complaining that it's heavier than cars that it was not designed to compete with, while simultaneously admitting it is actually lighter than cars it actually does compete with?
 
They'll come out with a CF bodied version at some point.
 
2Billion said:
Wait, are you seriously complaining that it's heavier than cars that it was not designed to compete with, while simultaneously admitting it is actually lighter than cars it actually does compete with?
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When talking about the future supercar, Lamborghini CEO Stephan Winkelmann said: "The key factor in terms of better handling and acceleration, meaning more immediate pleasure in driving, is the power-to-weight ratio. This is not so much about top speed and so the future will not be so focused on increasing the power, even because CO2 emissions do play a role for supersports cars too. That means the key is in reducing the weight."
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That's where I get the impression they were seriously going to make it lighter. 1575 kg's is still heavy even if it's lighter than a 599. The 599 is a heavy, soft and spacious GT car and I don't think it's a direct competitor for the LP700-4 which seems like a more serious supercar.
When compared to a lot cheaper mid engined cars like the MP4-12C the LP700-4 is more than 200 kg's heavier and that sounds like a lot for the extra 100 hp it offers. Sure it has the V12 (which I approve) and Haldex (which I think is stupid) but that won't take away the fact it's still quite a heavy car.
 
Pry said:
That's where I get the impression they were seriously going to make it lighter. 1575 kg's is still heavy even if it's lighter than a 599. The 599 is a heavy, soft and spacious GT car and I don't think it's a direct competitor for the LP700-4 which seems like a more serious supercar.
When compared to a lot cheaper mid engined cars like the MP4-12C the LP700-4 is more than 200 kg's heavier and that sounds like a lot for the extra 100 hp it offers. Sure it has the V12 (which I approve) and Haldex (which I think is stupid) but that won't take away the fact it's still quite a heavy car.
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However... don't forget that the Murcielago that came before it was actually a smidge heavier: at least according to Wikipedia, it came in at 1650 kg, so the new car is 75kg lighter than the model it replaces.
 
Pry said:
That's where I get the impression they were seriously going to make it lighter. 1575 kg's is still heavy even if it's lighter than a 599. The 599 is a heavy, soft and spacious GT car and I don't think it's a direct competitor for the LP700-4 which seems like a more serious supercar.
When compared to a lot cheaper mid engined cars like the MP4-12C the LP700-4 is more than 200 kg's heavier and that sounds like a lot for the extra 100 hp it offers. Sure it has the V12 (which I approve) and Haldex (which I think is stupid) but that won't take away the fact it's still quite a heavy car.
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It's heavy, sure, but it's lighter than the car it replaces, and it's the standard model - so cushy seats, a classy stereo, that kind of thing. Given Lambo's recent history, there will be superleggara models eventually, as well as special editions and everything else. There's no indication that the design of this car is contradicting Winkelmann's quote - which is, let's be honest, just saying they're going to keep doing the lightweight specials and avoid model bloat, which they have done with this car already.

Your entire problem seems to be that Lamborghini had the gall to design a car which wasn't the one you designed in your head.
 
From the early reports and the presentation of the Sesto elemento I was also expecting something much lighter around 1400-1450 kg.

IMO 1575 kg is too heavy to keep up with the next gen of supercars.
 
In my opinion the mast majority of Lambo owners probably buy the car for the way it looks, because it's loud, and because it's fast when they want to open it up on the freeway. If they cared about saving 50.45654 kg of weight to go faster through corners they'd buy Ferraris. Lamborghinis belong on posters, not on tracks.
 
Canuck said:
In my opinion the mast majority of Lambo owners probably buy the car for the way it looks, because it's loud, and because it's fast when they want to open it up on the freeway. If they cared about saving 50.45654 kg of weight to go faster through corners they'd buy Ferraris. Lamborghinis belong on posters, not on tracks.
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I think you overstate the difference (I'm sure Murcs and Gallardos are amazing on the track), but the general idea I think is right. Clarkson addressed the issue when he reviewed the Gallardo Spyder. Yes a 430 can get you around a corner a bit faster, but then you wouldn't be driving a Lamborghini, and that is the whole point of getting a Lamborghini.
 
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