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How is 'protest' defined? :)
 

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There is actually a law banning expressive dancing inside the Jefferson Memorial: http://adwww2.americanbar.org/SCFJI/Lists/New Case Summaries/DispForm.aspx?ID=464

Until it is overturned in the courts it is the law of the land.

Despite the language of the constitution, there are exceptions to a number of the amendments, including the first. For instance, one needs a permit to protest on public land, which the memorial is. That alone is enough to remove the protesters and arrest if they do not comply, regardless of the method of protesting.

The right to protest does not need a permit. Who approves the permit? The agency being protested? Me thinks that is not a good way to regulate a group, and an unfair process. So what regress do people have if refused the permit? A lawsuit would be a frivolous, and the denial and later arrest would be used just to make the protesters look bad. As long as they are not doing any damage, or block others from the venue, I see no reason for them not to be able to dance, protest, sing, make funny faces, or any other thing that people would do in a public place.
 

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In my opinion, they could even eat a kebab.
 

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How long until the Australian government implodes...
 

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The right to protest does not need a permit. Who approves the permit? The agency being protested? Me thinks that is not a good way to regulate a group, and an unfair process. So what regress do people have if refused the permit? A lawsuit would be a frivolous, and the denial and later arrest would be used just to make the protesters look bad. As long as they are not doing any damage, or block others from the venue, I see no reason for them not to be able to dance, protest, sing, make funny faces, or any other thing that people would do in a public place.

You do need a permit. I'm not arguing that it should be like that, but that's just how it is. In DC, the National Park Service and Capitol Police are the ones who take care of permits. This does not mean all protests require a permit.

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When do you need a permit? Protests of 25 people or more on the National Mall require a permit, as does any event that requires streets to be closed. The Metropolitan Police, because they lost an important court case, are required to allow permit-less marches in the street as long as they stay within a single lane. Sidewalks are supposedly public property, but some activists have experienced severe police harassment for protesting outside of private businesses.

For protests on or around the Capitol Buildings, you need to apply for a permit with the Capitol Police. They say to apply at least five days in advance of your activity to guarantee processing, but to allow up to 2 weeks if applying by snail mail. This page on the Capitol Police web site has a map of the Capitol grounds, plus guidelines for permitted activities and steps to get a permit and contact information for the Capitol Police Special Events Unit. For more information, you can also call (202) 224-8891.

For protests in one of the many parks around the city, including the National Mall, you'll need to get in touch with the National Park Service. Events with a lot of equipment, sound amplification, food, or participants can require a month or more for the entire permitting process with the NPS, so start early! This page has contact information for the National Park Service Division of Park Programs, as well as instructions for applying. Please note that all applications, unless determined to be a First Amendment activity, must be accompanied by a $50.00 payment for initial processing. This office is open Monday through Friday from 8:00 A.M. until 4:00 P.M., holidays excepted. Call (202) 619-7225 to obtain additional information.

If these people wanted to protest, they should have checked with the National Park Service first, considering their intent to protest at the Jefferson Memorial, or should have just taken it to the street.
 

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The First Amendment does not require a permit.


U.S. Government Says Cyber Attacks May Be Acts of War


This is a sign of the increasingly digital world we live in: the Pentagon is set to make it official U.S. policy to consider cyber attacks "acts of war," and respond to them with real-world force, the Wall Street Journal reports.

The strategy, which becomes public next month, will both provide guidance to our country's armed forces, as well as make a statement to our enemies. Cyber terrorism is certainly a big issue for officials, as increasing portions of our country's infrastructure are "online."

This announcement comes just a few days after Lockheed Martin, a major US defense contractor, was the subject of a "significant and tenacious (cyber) attack." The company has stressed that no sensitive information was exposed during the attack.

According to The Journal, military officials are still in disagreement about how cyber attacks should be handled, specifically, when and when not a real-life military response is warranted. The Journal says officials seem to be settling on the "eye for an eye" concept, which means that the military would be able to respond to a cyber attack that causes physical damage, injury, or death.

Very few virtual attacks are capable of causing this kind of harm, however. If this position is used, many cyber attacks will not constitute brute-force retaliation. That's not to say military-employed hackers won't have the right to go in and take down an enemy's computer system in response, though.

In many cases, this seems like the most valid and acceptable way to go.

Regardless of official strategy, how best to respond to cyber terrorism is something experts and officials have been debating for years since 9/11. Terrorism experts often warn that the next terrorist attacks could be virtual--although, so far, all cyber attacks have been minor in scope.


Hmmm, so does that mean when the U.S. government helps create a tools that help in cyber attacks they are aiding in the attacks? (see STUXNET)
 

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The First Amendment does not require a permit.

Just about every court disagrees with you. Exceptions are allowed to these rights. Porn cannot be publicly displayed. You cannot shout fire in a crowded theatre when there is none. You cannot publicly slander other people. The list goes on.
 

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Those are all noted exceptions to the rule, they damage people and that is not what the First is about.
 

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BBC News - South Tyneside Council 'gets Twitter data' in blog case




This is a Landmark case for the UK anyway.

Also, this is unrelated to the Twitter story from last week about a Football player who had his High Court press injunction breached by Twitter users and an MP using Parliamentary Privelege.

So, Twitter does cough up user information if pressed by the CA Courts. Some Twitter Users may have to be more careful in future.


Something similar happened with our former attorney general, and now much loathed new governor (many people who voted for him wish they could "do over" and vote for someone else...funny how people change their minds when services they use go under the chopping block in a budget) Tom Corbett: http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/19/tom-corbett-twitter/

Luckily he withdrew it after Twitter basically said to go fuck yourself: http://www.wtae.com/technology/23608537/detail.html
 

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Public protests outside Houses of Parliament need one too now.
No need bothering anyway in the UK. If the Women's Guild of Upper Cheshire held a protest in favor of the British Bobby, handing out home baked cookies to the passers bys..

They'd be kettled, wouldn't they?
 

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Just sometimes they do work. The Womens Institute gave that prize arse Tony (I am a git) Blair 'what for' when he turned up to their congress and started mouthing off - worked like a dream. NB the Womens Institute is known for tea and cup cakes and raising money for good causes.

He did not do it again.

I am at work so I can not add the Youtube of it but it is so funny he really was rather uncomfortable.
 

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I know what the Women's Institutes are. That was my whole point.
 

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More on the dancing fiasco.

[video=youtube;xGw2e7P8g-s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xGw2e7P8g-s[/video]
 
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